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Thread: DISCLAIMER: This is my OPINION on the cybernetic stuff!

Calculus_Entropy
Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:33 am
#1

It is nevera good thing when the title of the thread contains the disclaimer!


OK, so with those weird patch 10files that people posted pictures of (which I still think were doctored) and now some more talk of what cybernetic implants, etc, would be great to have in the game, I need to speak up. I totally despise the idea of the cybernetic stuff. Yeah, there is a bit of canon that supports such things, but the idea just takes away from my Star Wars experience!


We already have plenty of continuity violations (I know, the whole alternate reality thing) but at least Jedi and WookieesARE Star Wars. Implantsare not Star Wars, nor should they be.


Does this mean I will not support your ideas about implants? Of courseI will support those ideas, you guys are my peeps!


Sorry, these are the random grumblings ofTHE crankiest old Ranger, andIthought we could have a good discussion about these doohickies.


Please postyou thoughts here...



Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.
Washell
Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:03 am
#2

Mellichae is the leader of the Sith Shadows that are trying to destroy the village of Aurillia. Mellichea lost his arm and nearly his life in a duel with Vader. He's trying to destroy the village to return in good graces with the Emperor and become a Sith Lord. (recent FF)


The padawan trials end with an attack/ambush by Mellichae himself. One of his arms is a cybernetic replacement. So it's in the game. Not as prepatch for player implementation but for an npc.





Calculus_Entropy wrote:


I totally despise the idea of the cybernetic stuff. Yeah, there is a bit of canon that supports such things, but the idea just takes away from my Star Wars experience!


A bit of canon? Luke lost his hand and Vader is described by Obi-Wan as more machine then man. Two main characters is hardly a bit. A better argument would be that neither Vader nor Luke were more powerful with the cybernetic enhancements. For Luke there is no evidence that he is or isn't but Vader gets "beaten" to exhaustion fairly quick in the final duel. So cybernetics are only replacements, if anything, weaker then the original. Putting those in game should be an ID thing. (/Yell, Cybernetic limb of your choice, visit the ID tent now, only 20k! :smileywink A purely graphical, roleplay element. I would fully support such roleplay cybernetics along with a variety of scars. It kinda bugs me to have been a Ranger for several months and not have any scars to show for it.


Calculus_Entropy
Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:32 am
#3






Washell wrote:

Mellichae is the leader of the Sith Shadows that are trying to destroy the village of Aurillia. Mellichea lost his arm and nearly his life in a duel with Vader. He's trying to destroy the village to return in good graces with the Emperor and become a Sith Lord. (recent FF)


The padawan trials end with an attack/ambush by Mellichae himself. One of his arms is a cybernetic replacement. So it's in the game. Not as prepatch for player implementation but for an npc.





Calculus_Entropy wrote:


I totally despise the idea of the cybernetic stuff. Yeah, there is a bit of canon that supports such things, but the idea just takes away from my Star Wars experience!


A bit of canon? Luke lost his hand and Vader is described by Obi-Wan as more machine then man. Two main characters is hardly a bit. A better argument would be that neither Vader nor Luke were more powerful with the cybernetic enhancements. For Luke there is no evidence that he is or isn't but Vader gets "beaten" to exhaustion fairly quick in the final duel. So cybernetics are only replacements, if anything, weaker then the original. Putting those in game should be an ID thing. (/Yell, Cybernetic limb of your choice, visit the ID tent now, only 20k! :smileywink A purely graphical, roleplay element. I would fully support such roleplay cybernetics along with a variety of scars. It kinda bugs me to have been a Ranger for several months and not have any scars to show for it.






Good point about how powerful the cybernetics were. My point for how little canon there is on the subject was that there are very few characters that had them (Vader, Luke, Moruth Doole, more?). Ifone uses the fact that 2 of the main characters had the implants and they should be included because of that, thenone can easily say 2 of the main characters were Jedi and therefore everyone should be Jedi.


Another thing about Luke and Vader is that you could not see the cybernetics, and therefore, art assests would be unnecessary. You would simply have to say that you have a prosthetic limb.





Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.
Washell
Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:50 am
#4






Calculus_Entropy wrote:


Good point about how powerful the cybernetics were. My point for how little canon there is on the subject was that there are very few characters that had them (Vader, Luke, Moruth Doole, more?). Ifone uses the fact that 2 of the main characters had the implants and they should be included because of that, thenone can easily say 2 of the main characters were Jedi and therefore everyone should be Jedi.


Another thing about Luke and Vader is that you could not see the cybernetics, and therefore, art assests would be unnecessary. You would simply have to say that you have a prosthetic limb.







3 chars out of, say, 300 featured in the movies and EU, extrapolating from that 1% of the galaxy population has them. 1% of billions is millions. Luke was a simple dude working for a resource strained faction when he got his so we can assume the techniques to manufacture and attachs artificial limbs is as common and cheap as a prosthetic limb is here on earth. You didn't see them more then a few short shots because allof the special effect budgets was spend on flashlights and space combat


You do see Anakin's replacement hand at the wedding scene in EP2 and it might well be possible we'll see Anakin in Episode III with a metal hand all the time thanks to today's CGI.

Message Edited by Washell on 09-08-2004 05:51 PM

Owen-Lars
Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:53 am
#5



My KOTOR characters were filled with implants and enhancers hehe


I dont mind them, id prefer seeing them if they remove buffs, but thats not gonna happen

Message Edited by Owen-Lars on 09-08-2004 05:20 PM



THORTAC BALCOR
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DND_Cas
Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:57 am
#6

Cybernetics would be a great roll playing tool


Unfortunately initally every l33t muppet on the servers would want them and it would be rubbish.


I've always thought that there needed to be more ways to get injured rather than simply med packs and the like. Perhaps there should be a random chance of losing a limb against some crittersand against lightsabers for example when you get deathblowed. If you clone you obviously have no cybernetics - if you don't you may need a limb or two or three or four or five (depending on your species Scars would be good as well.







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Now: Master Tailor/Merchant/Commando
darmokVtS
Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:59 am
#7

I like the idea and don't see it even remotely unstarwarsy, problem with them is just that it gets unstarwarsy with everyone running around with some...

Usual swg problem, there are many things around that aren't *directly* non-starwarsy but end up starwarsy quite fast.

Example: Neither Wookiees nor Jedi nor Imperials can be considered 'not starwarsy' but an imperial wookiee jedi is about as unstarwarsy as it can get .

Message Edited by darmokVtS on 09-08-2004 05:59 PM




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FuzzyDustBall
Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:15 am
#8

I think this would be a cool idea as a death penalty every so many deaths you may randomly have to have something replaced by a cybernetic.... Clones arnt perfect afterall. ID's could be employed to coverup you cybernetics but all your cybernetics are always exposed when you clone or you could let them show in a full battle scarr fassion. or hide them under gloves. If it was purely a visual thing and could be covered up with clothing/ID help then it would add an intresting twist to the game... possibly even BE could regrow that lost limb of yours for a heafty price and process to remove the cybernetic all to gether. As for not starwarsy Just becuase you didn't see them on people didnt mean they didnt have them most people would cover them up... and it seemed like a pretty routine procedure in the movies.(lose a hand have a robot one).
Owen-Lars
Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:19 am
#9

Only problem with having your limbs sliced off after death is those who engage in pvp will be left with nothing hehe. They will be like 100% cybernetic.


I love the idea of cybernetics but im specific in what i like.


I dont like the idea of having robotic arms that give you amazing stregnth and things like that.

I like the idea of implants and cybernetics (non visual) replacing the current buff system as highlighted in another thread)

I think cybernitcs in terms of arms and bodily pieces should be cosmetic only.



THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
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AgonThalia
Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:24 am
#10

So... cybernetic implants in the form like Deus Ex?



Draknev
The Last Ranger Correspondent
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Owen-Lars
Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:25 am
#11

Implants in the form of Knights Of The Old Republic



THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
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Fred_Skinner
Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:20 am
#12

Grevious is almost all robot. There is very little "meat" left in that tin can. He seems to do quite well and is "canon".


However...


I don't think it should be common to "volenteer" to have your original equipment removed for one. Perhaps, only vets and then only long standing vets. After years of battle, and in a single profession, should the "unfortunate" occure and you would need one.


If for no other reason it would reward the dedicated and tic off the holochasers.




Frederick Skinner
Antarian Ranger, Ranger(0030), Master Rifleman, CH(4214)
Ranger is not a profession. It's a lifestyle.


Owen-Lars
Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:25 am
#13

Ah great idea fred.


Congratulations you have qualified for the long standing ranger vet reward: A datewith the ampitation sugeon hehe


Seriously though i like the idea that vets in a profession can gain the scars and wounds that would come with such a 'life'.


Please give memy 1ft long lantern bird talon scar across my chest hehe




THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
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