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Thread: Need Rangers Input!
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Cadina
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:08 am
#1
Hello all.. I am a doc and buff supplier for the Wanderhome server. At the current time we are trying to come to a common price guide for the buying of meats. This way we can try to alleviate the price increases that occur with every person trying to get the upper edge of purchasing. Are there any servers that try to standardize the price there paying for meats. I want to go to both the Doc's and Scouts with this because it affects both parties. Yes I know no matter what the stats are on meat, the same amount of work is being done by rangers.. But by the same token, rangers are not going to put forth of hunting certain meats if it will be of no use to the buyer.. I know that each servers enonomy is differnt so this will not be an easy thing to accomplish but I would like to get as much feedback as I can... How much do you feel is fair to receive for the meats u aquire? The current buff pack rates on our server are 15k for the packs.. 10-12k for buffs.. That should be taken into consideration when comming up with prices. Thank you, any input would be appriciated. Trying to avoid the inflation of the server hence the reason were trying to do this.
Edited for wording.
Message Edited by Cadina on 11-10-2004 10:31 AM
Piroa
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:24 am
#2
I've never been a doctor and I don't usually get buffs, I don't really know much about the whole system. Can you tell me how much meat is required to make a buff pack and how many buffs you get from 1 buff pack. What, would you say, is the average cost to make a buff pack, if you had to buy all resources?
BTW, it doesn't seem to be that there is "price gauging." That would require the normal supply and demand pricing structure, where suppliers dictate the price. This is usually a demand and supply system, wherebuyers tell us how much they will pay. "Gauging" is done by suppliers, you're talking about docs outbidding each other.
Fodder650
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:25 am
#3
Ok lets start with the current discussion. Its not price gouging because we arent setting the prices. Don't make out the Rangers/Scouts to be the enemies here. We are mearly providing a product that fits into the economy.
Now that said
Your better bet would be to get buying groups together and work with a group of ranger/scouts. Since you will be buying in bulk you should be able to find some scouts who will be able to provide you resources at a resonable price. The idea behind the buying group is because there will always be one doctor/chef whos willing to pay 5cpu more then you.
Now that said
Your better bet would be to get buying groups together and work with a group of ranger/scouts. Since you will be buying in bulk you should be able to find some scouts who will be able to provide you resources at a resonable price. The idea behind the buying group is because there will always be one doctor/chef whos willing to pay 5cpu more then you.
Cadina
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:35 am
#4
I think that rangers should be involved in what prices are paid for there services..I feel both parties should come to acceptable price. Sure if there is a meat that has not been out in a long time and some one is trying to purchase that. This an entire differnt thing,, What I am trying to come up with is a ave price for current spawns at the time,
WildBil2Me
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:38 am
#5
It's not really price gauging that's affecting the price of hides on Wanderhome.
What's going on is that there are too few career Rangers to support the Doctor Population. Where resources are going for 150- 200 cpu on other servers Wanderhome actually maxes at around 70cpu for current spawns. From what I've seen Doctors are currently outbidding each other to push these prices up. There's also a fundamental misunderstanding concerning the availability of resources.
Right now Doctors are offering 70 CPU for Rori Avian meat (well at least last night they were). Having hunted Rori Avian meat I've decided its a vastly mindnumbing task. As a result I personally won't hunt it for that price. I think the majority of career Rangers feel the same way. Unless hunting for their guild it just isn't fun to grab high quantities of that resource.
A typical problem that arises on Wanderhome (and maybe other servers) is that many buyers don't take into account how hard it is to get quantity. Sure the stats may make it a great resource, but if the max drop on it is 15units / kill then that will vastly change the price that will put me over the edge to go hunting it. It's not that I'm being greedy, its just that an hourof harvesting at that rate MIGHT give me 1k units and will definitely bore the heck out of me. If you're offering 70cpu that means I've made 70k. I can make that much doing any number of other things in a third the time.
Standardizing the price is very difficult because there are an extreme amount of factors concerning a resources availability. I think the best bet you have is just doing what is the current norm. Make an offer and raise it til you get some attention.
Good Luck,
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P.S. Post 700!
Fodder650
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:38 am
#6
Your limiting yourself first to wanderhome which is a good way to do it. Since each server has its own economy.
What have you found to be the average on wanderhome for avian meat and herbivore? Are you willing to allow the billionaire doctors to get the 900/900/900/900 Avian for 200cpu when theres 850/800/800/800 that no ones buying at 20?
Remember im working with you here not against you.
What have you found to be the average on wanderhome for avian meat and herbivore? Are you willing to allow the billionaire doctors to get the 900/900/900/900 Avian for 200cpu when theres 850/800/800/800 that no ones buying at 20?
Remember im working with you here not against you.
JascoSmlee
Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:49 am
#7
((Why does this thread not fit on my screen?))
As others have said, the price a Ranger is willing to sell will also relate to how difficult the resource is to harvest, not just the stats of the resource. For example, you will likely never find a Ranger willing to hunt Tat avian meat EVER. When I want toearn some cash I check out my trade forum and see whos offering the most. If its 100cpu for avian meat Igo get that (depending on planet). If its 40cpu carni meat I get that. Its the buyers who are setting the prices. I personally have no idea how Docs arrive at their prices for their buffs as I have no clue what goes into them. The fact is Docs are selling them for those prices and buying meats for 100-200cpu (on my server anyway) so they must still be making quite a profit or they would not be offering so much. This is not meant to sound like a dig at Docs, its the same with other resources too. Armoursmiths pay silly money for great wooly hides. I just think trying to standardize prices will never work, as their is ALWAYS somebody willing to pay more. What we are seeing on my own server (Farstar) now is Docs slowly pushing up thier prices for buffs to 20k+. This is due to them them driving up prices on meats. Still, the hunters have more money to pay for the buffs anyway as its the Docs who are paying them 
It's swings and roundabouts. I'm quids in as I don't use buffs anyway 
It's swings and roundabouts. I'm quids in as I don't use buffs anyway Message Edited by JascoSmlee on 11-10-2004 04:21 PM
Vorpaks
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:27 am
#8
I really just use the following method to decide my prices:
1. What is the Doc offering?
2. Is the creature fun to hunt?
3. Is it worth my time?
I never ask for a certain price - I just go with what is offered. When I accept a contract I do not accept other bids, even if they offer me more. A contract is a contract.
You said that the price of buffs should be taken into account but this is not necessarily true.(Edited because I misread, but the following is still true - sorry about that!)Most of the time the small animals that do not require buffs are the most unpleasant to hunt and therefore actually will cost more. For example - I can collect 5k Rancor meat easily in an hour. Rori, or god forbid, Tatooine avian will take three to four to five times longer to collect and will be incredibly frustrating into the bargain.
I won't accept contracts for things on Talus, Rori, or Tat (avian shudder) no matter what is offered. I've turned down contracts for over 300 cpu just because hunting that stuff is unfun and usually leaves me burnt out from the game for several days.
Endorian wooly I love to hunt - I'll practically give that stuff away no matter what the stats. So really your prices depend in two things - the Willingness to Pay (WTP) of the Doc and the Willingness to Hunt (which becomes a forum unnacceptable acronym 
) of the Scout/Ranger.
That being said I still wish you luck. This is something that has been tried many times I believe. I hope it works out for you.
1. What is the Doc offering?
2. Is the creature fun to hunt?
3. Is it worth my time?
I never ask for a certain price - I just go with what is offered. When I accept a contract I do not accept other bids, even if they offer me more. A contract is a contract.
I won't accept contracts for things on Talus, Rori, or Tat (avian shudder) no matter what is offered. I've turned down contracts for over 300 cpu just because hunting that stuff is unfun and usually leaves me burnt out from the game for several days.
Endorian wooly I love to hunt - I'll practically give that stuff away no matter what the stats.
So really your prices depend in two things - the Willingness to Pay (WTP) of the Doc and the Willingness to Hunt (which becomes a forum unnacceptable acronym ) of the Scout/Ranger.That being said I still wish you luck.
This is something that has been tried many times I believe. I hope it works out for you.Message Edited by Vorpaks on 11-10-2004 11:29 AM
NikkiDial
Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:53 am
#9
You are cutting your own throat. This is a thing that doctors need to discuss NOT rangers. When prices get too high for them they will let the community know. There is no reason to limit your prices when you arent the ones creating the market you only provide an ingrediant in that market. Even if you drop the price of meat the doctors will still charge you 10-20k for a buff. Even if you sell the hide cheaply to the armorsmith they will still charge you 250-350k for a suit of composite. So no matter what you do they will still charge you the same amount. They just get a bigger profit for free.
Calculus_Entropy
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:32 am
#10
To put a little perspective on this, read this thread on the WH trade forum. I mentioned in that thread, that Rangers were trying to help alleviate the shortage of critter resources, which may, in part, be why Cadina tried to include us.
Fodder650
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:39 am
#11
Really she didnt need to be one-starred whoever did that. We may not agree but its a legitmate subject for the scouts/rangers to be involved in. Since its our livelyhood as well as theirs.
WildBil2Me
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:45 am
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The problem that I'm trying to point out, which i think is illustrated in some of the early posts on the thread you mention calc, is that players in general just don't understand the different supply situations that each resource brings with it.
A player in that thread priced the rori Avian meat at 40- 50 cpu. Rori Avian is not an easy resource to harvest. Rangers will not harvest it for that price unless they really are desperate to make credits.
If that same price were offered for, say, Yavin Insect it would be much more appropriate (if not slightly high). The problem that's arising is that players are expecting resources to come flooding in as though there were a harvestor plopped on a solid vein.
The nature of creature resources makes it such that Artisans and Medics NEED to compete with each other to get access to it. Rangers, like everyone else, will take bids on a resource and go out and do what they can to collect it.
In response to NikkiDial, I agree this is an issue for doctors on any given server to discuss. Rangers are only taking contracts which are appealing. What's important for Doctors to realize though is that Rori Avian Meat does not equal Naboo Avian meat in difficulty. Its significantly more challenging to stack one over the other.
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Oh, and though I agree that raising Harvesting Rates in the Ranger skillset is a very important thing, I think it exists seperately from this issue. If my rates are increased to just 2x what they are now (or more) rich doctors and Armorsmith's will just buy more outright. It won't open the market for up and coming players. Think about it... how many times have you seen one armorsmith offer a price for as much of a resource as the whole server can muster? I've seen players buy millions of units and keep the "keep it coming" message on. Though I think that raising the rate would help, there needs to be less of an incentive to stockpile creature resources. Players should be encouraged to buy and sell regularly without encouraging hoarding of good resources.
What's the best way to do this? Make good spawnsmorefrequent maybe? Clone spawns across multiple planets (like for inorganics)? Decrease the crafting requirements? I dunno.
Message Edited by WildBil2Me on 11-10-2004 12:54 PM
Fodder650
Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:48 am
#13
Good point bil which is why Tat avian will always win as the most expensive meat. And dath leather and carnivore will always be the cheapest. Avian in general isnt easy to stack fast on any planet. Though naboo does seem to have the best chances of getting it reasonably quickly
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