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Thread: RANGERS UNITE!!...THIS RANGER HAS HAD ENOUGH
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Tact
Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:36 am
#1
Greetings My Fellow Rangers,
My name is Taciturn, I am a Master Ranger on the Starsider server and in Synergy one of the best guilds imaginable. I have been a Master Ranger for over 5 months now. So now that you know me let me say my two cents. I am fed up!
How many of you out there work or have workedfor an armorsmith, chef, doctor, or some other profession? Everyone right? How many of you spend hours harvesting up to 5K of meat to sell it for a lousy 35 cpu to a chef who then makes5 crates of glucose for 250,000 credits apiece? Thats right that is what a chef can do. Or work for an armorsmith collecting wooly hide till you could puke to sell for 25 cpu and then that armorsmith turns around and makes 10 sets of composite armor for 500,000 A SET? And they won't even cut you a deal on it! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!
Rangers are not servants! We are a truly a elite profession. Faster than others, we can hide from all animals and NPCs, we can survive for weeks in the wilderness with never laying foot in a city except to peddle our goods for a few credits. It is time for us to act like an elite profession. We, need to ban together. You know how armorsmiths established the base price for composite? They all got together, stuck to their guns, and drove the price up. You cannot even get a decent set for lower than 500000. Doctors buff 6-9K a buff. No wonder the majority are all millionaires about 5 times over.
These profession only exist because of us. We supply them, we make them their money and we get nothing except chump change. Now is our time, it is time to ban together and make the market for Ranger. There are not alot of us. I am sick of competing against one another. We should work together as a cohesivegroup not seperate. Let me give some examples, at one point I was selling domestic meat for 100 cpu and avian for 75-80 cpu. Wow, you think that is alot. I could not get enough for my suppliers. I hunted day and night and loved it. I even took newbie Rangers with me and sold itfor them and gave them the money to get them started. Then another ranger underbid me and the price now is 20-30 cpu. It is truly sad. IfI knew thatRanger I would have told him, but I did not. The other professions make a killing why not us?
Enough with pricing guides. Its time to make the market. Anything over 900 oq should be 80 cpu not 50. However, we are the only ones who can do it. We need to stick together and work as a team. Or Rangers will stay as we are, poor, broke, peddling goods for a few cents. If you are on starsider send me a tell sometime and say hi. Sorry about the preaching but someone needs to say it.
Very Respectfully,
Taciturn
"RANGERS LEAD THE WAY"
Tact
Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:44 am
#2
Greetings My Fellow Rangers,
My name is Taciturn, I am a Master Ranger on the Starsider server and in Synergy one of the best guilds imaginable. I have been a Master Ranger for over 5 months now. So now that you know me let me say my two cents. I am fed up!
How many of you out there work or have workedfor an armorsmith, chef, doctor, or some other profession? Everyone right? How many of you spend hours harvesting up to 5K of meat to sell it for a lousy 35 cpu to a chef who then makes5 crates of glucose for 250,000 credits apiece? Thats right that is what a chef can do. Or work for an armorsmith collecting wooly hide till you could puke to sell for 25 cpu and then that armorsmith turns around and makes 10 sets of composite armor for 500,000 A SET? And they won't even cut you a deal on it! I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!
Rangers are not servants! We are a truly a elite profession. Faster than others, we can hide from all animals and NPCs, we can survive for weeks in the wilderness with never laying foot in a city except to peddle our goods for a few credits. It is time for us to act like an elite profession. We, need to ban together. You know how armorsmiths established the base price for composite? They all got together, stuck to their guns, and drove the price up. You cannot even get a decent set for lower than 500000. Doctors buff 6-9K a buff. No wonder the majority are all millionaires about 5 times over.
These profession only exist because of us. We supply them, we make them their money and we get nothing except chump change. Now is our time, it is time to ban together and make the market for Ranger. There are not alot of us. I am sick of competing against one another. We should work together as a cohesivegroup not seperate. Let me give some examples, at one point I was selling domestic meat for 100 cpu and avian for 75-80 cpu. Wow, you think that is alot. I could not get enough for my suppliers. I hunted day and night and loved it. I even took newbie Rangers with me and sold itfor them and gave them the money to get them started. Then another ranger underbid me and the price now is 20-30 cpu. It is truly sad. IfI knew thatRanger I would have told him, but I did not. The other professions make a killing why not us?
Enough with pricing guides. Its time to make the market. Anything over 900 oq should be 80 cpu not 50. However, we are the only ones who can do it. We need to stick together and work as a team. Or Rangers will stay as we are, poor, broke, peddling goods for a few cents. If you are on starsider send me a tell sometime and say hi. Sorry about the preaching but someone needs to say it.
Very Respectfully,
Taciturn
"RANGERS LEAD THE WAY"
Tact
Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:49 am
#3
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Fellow Ranges, Please diregard my other post. The website kept booting me out so I had to keep coming back to write my post. Sorry for the confusion.
v/r
Tact
Ogo
Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:54 am
#4
Rangers aren't the only folks harvesting resources out there.
But, assuming we were, there will always be someone underselling the market to make some quick cash. Or underselling because they are new to the game and don't know any better. Or they don't realize exactly how valuable certain resources can be with the right stats. Or they just don't care. Then there will always be those armorsmiths, chefs, etc., who get fed up with an inconsistent/expensive supply line and buy 2nd accounts to do it themselves.
Resource gatherers in general are never going to make as much money as the end-crafters do.
Also, I may be wrong, but most Rangers on these forums tend to do well for themselves as it stands and don't mind not being uber-rich.
But, assuming we were, there will always be someone underselling the market to make some quick cash. Or underselling because they are new to the game and don't know any better. Or they don't realize exactly how valuable certain resources can be with the right stats. Or they just don't care. Then there will always be those armorsmiths, chefs, etc., who get fed up with an inconsistent/expensive supply line and buy 2nd accounts to do it themselves.
Resource gatherers in general are never going to make as much money as the end-crafters do.
Also, I may be wrong, but most Rangers on these forums tend to do well for themselves as it stands and don't mind not being uber-rich.
Calculus_Entropy
Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:06 am
#5
Wow 
Maybe you need to take a class on supply and demand and marketing. In thisuniverse of free enterprise, you are allowed to charge what you like. In turn, a chef or armorsmith can sell his product for any amount that he likes. Charge what people will pay. If you don't want to be a slave, then stop harvesting for money...If you want a lot of cash, become a crafter. Keep in mind that a chef or AS has to use resources other than what you sell them, and most likely they have to buy those resources.
Also, the entire economy of SWG is hosed anyway, and economic collapse is imminent (the devs will someday have to nix everyones cash if they want to restabilize the economy).
Message Edited by Calculus_Entropy on 02-11-2004 09:09 AM
OberSenf
Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:30 am
#6
You are correct in your assessment of the large price fluctuations our profession sees for our materials. There are a number of reasons for this besides undercutting. These are also reasons why 'price-fixing' would be tough.
One is the stats. AS look at 4 stats: OQ, SR, UT and ML. Docs and Medics look at 2: OQ and PE. Tailors and Archys don't care about stats. Not sure about chefs since I don't have any as clients currently.
Another is bartering. I barter a lot and I know of others who do the same. I can't tell you the last time I paid credits for something other than a shuttle ticket or knick-nack for my house. AS supply me with armor, Tailors with clothes and Docs with meds. Now all I need is to find a chef as a customer and I'll be set.
A third reason is guilds. PA's hunt and mine for themselves and distribute the resources and goods accordingly. I not only hunt for my guild, but for allies as well. I also have a customer base that I take care of and they take care of me.
My suggestion is work on developing clientele. They will pay you well for delivering a set order at a set time. They will also keep you supplied with stuff. It's a very symbiotic relationship.
Fred_Skinner
Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:44 am
#7
To answer the Chef question: OQ, PE and Fla. Same for BE. OQ > 800. OQ + PE > 1600. OQ+PE+Fla > 2100.
AgonThalia
Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:13 am
#8
I do understand the frustration,
however, look at modern situations...ie: coffee
we buy a cup of coffee for around 1.50
I buy fresh beans for about 12.00 per pound that makes approx 50 pots of coffee
To buy unprocessed green coffee beans from a coffee farmer is approx 20 to 90 cents a pound (last time i checked)
there is of course, distribution, marketing, packaging, processing that drive up the initial cost of beans from the grower. Do the coffee growers see most of that profit? Of course not.
I see the rangering harvesting business as the first line production. Then we sell it to the armorsmiths who also have to collect bone, metal, fiberplast, and several other items that they have to purchase as well. They have the skill to assemble the raw items and create something usefull.
By driving up the resource costs, the costs of the finished product will go up as well further affecting the economy.
What do we lose when hunting? time/ travel/ stims/ clone/ and repairs on our weapons. This should be figured in on any job, I dont sell for less than 5 cpu and I sell in units of 5k to my clients. On my last job, I harvested 20k units of hide for an armorsmith for 40cpu I bartered 10k units for a great set of armor and was paid for the other 10k. For me, I have more money than I need, I dont have a lot compared to some of the crafters or businessmen and women, but I have enough.
I do jobs when I want and go fun-hunt when I want. If we in a sense "unionize" then while some of us would be paid a lot more for what we do, we would also be driving up the rates of inflation for the things we purchase...hurting a lot of characters (esp the new ones).
again, i feel your frustration cause I was a poor ranger for a long time, it just took some work to get my name out there and start to get jobs.
however, look at modern situations...ie: coffee
we buy a cup of coffee for around 1.50
I buy fresh beans for about 12.00 per pound that makes approx 50 pots of coffee
To buy unprocessed green coffee beans from a coffee farmer is approx 20 to 90 cents a pound (last time i checked)
there is of course, distribution, marketing, packaging, processing that drive up the initial cost of beans from the grower. Do the coffee growers see most of that profit? Of course not.
I see the rangering harvesting business as the first line production. Then we sell it to the armorsmiths who also have to collect bone, metal, fiberplast, and several other items that they have to purchase as well. They have the skill to assemble the raw items and create something usefull.
By driving up the resource costs, the costs of the finished product will go up as well further affecting the economy.
What do we lose when hunting? time/ travel/ stims/ clone/ and repairs on our weapons. This should be figured in on any job, I dont sell for less than 5 cpu and I sell in units of 5k to my clients. On my last job, I harvested 20k units of hide for an armorsmith for 40cpu I bartered 10k units for a great set of armor and was paid for the other 10k. For me, I have more money than I need, I dont have a lot compared to some of the crafters or businessmen and women, but I have enough.
I do jobs when I want and go fun-hunt when I want. If we in a sense "unionize" then while some of us would be paid a lot more for what we do, we would also be driving up the rates of inflation for the things we purchase...hurting a lot of characters (esp the new ones).
again, i feel your frustration cause I was a poor ranger for a long time, it just took some work to get my name out there and start to get jobs.
Ogo
Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:13 am
#9
Fred_Skinner wrote:
To answer the Chef question: OQ, PE and Fla. Same for BE. OQ > 800. OQ + PE > 1600. OQ+PE+Fla > 2100.
I believe with the Chef revamp (which is schedule to be published tomorrow), there are additional stats to consider. I know Decay Resist now plays a role in experimentation on many foods. Just something to consider.
GoldMemberBria
Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:28 am
#10
Tact,
First off, rangers are an insignificant part of the economy, even the creature harvesting part. As other threads in this forum have demonstrated, rangers aren't even particularly good hunters. Take the skill points you spent in ranger and put them into more combat skills and you'll instantly be a better hunter guaranteed.
Second, ok, lets step into fantasy world here for a sec, and suppose that every ranger and scout came together and decided that nobody would charge less than 100cpu for meat/hide/bone. Would that give rangers a bigger slice of the pie? no, it would simply raise the price of all the goods you buy (like the armor you mentioned) and you'd be in exactly the same predicament you are now. Only thing that would change is that you would have caused massive inflation.
Third, I'm not sure if you realize this, but there has been a lot of screaming for the elimination of the ranger profession. Either directly or indirectly. Talk of meat harvesters and such is pretty much a constant talk of discussion on the bio engineering forum and more recently the chef forum. Their perception is that rangers simply don't produce enough, and gouge too much. I don't agree with it, but that is the very strong feeling there.
Fourth, it's silly for a ranger to scream poverty with regards to selling resources. Selling resources is generally a byproduct of running combat missions, and as we all know, anyone with halfway decent combat skills can make a fortune on mission payouts in a very short amount of time. If I'm running solo missions killing pickets, and getting 10k/mission, after doing 10 missions why would I cry about getting only 20cpu from the meat I harvest rather than 50cpu. Either way I'm rich.
Gikra
Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:39 pm
#11
ok first off im a poor ranger and i dont mind. second if your giuld is so great then any armor smiths and /or chefs in your guild should be helpin you out by giving you a discount for helping provide them with the stuff that they need from you.
JBMat
Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:17 pm
#12
Been saying this for months.
Been living off the economy for longer than that.
I buy weapons, that's it. I harvest hides for a tailor and get free clothes; meats for a doc for free stims; and I know of a BE who owes me a pet or three. What's buy mean? Barter.
JB
Beausoleil
Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:18 pm
#13
Okay, I couldn't disagree more with this. Its collusion and price gouging. I never set prices. My buyers always outbid what I would have been asking using the pricing guide.
I just made 1.5million credits off two hunts, Dath Bone and Dant Carn. Got 34k units of each and sold for 30cpu and 25cpu respectively. I now have 5 million credits in the bank and a house full of weapons and spice and food. I dont use pets, very few stims, and no armor. I have NO expense practically. Yeah, some folks have like 100 million credits, but what the heck am I going to do with that?? Buy stupid Krayt weapons??? Buy "l33t' compo armor that I have no use for??
Poor ranger? Nobody needs to be a poor ranger. That's the silliest thing I have ever heard.
I just made 1.5million credits off two hunts, Dath Bone and Dant Carn. Got 34k units of each and sold for 30cpu and 25cpu respectively. I now have 5 million credits in the bank and a house full of weapons and spice and food. I dont use pets, very few stims, and no armor. I have NO expense practically. Yeah, some folks have like 100 million credits, but what the heck am I going to do with that?? Buy stupid Krayt weapons??? Buy "l33t' compo armor that I have no use for??
Poor ranger? Nobody needs to be a poor ranger. That's the silliest thing I have ever heard.
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