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Thread: ** What exactly is it that Rangers do for the Jedi? **
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FourthNail
Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:29 am
#1
I mean, there are some pretty whiney Jedi on my server who seem to be scared to death of BH's and such. Do we help them with their trials, lead them to beasites so they can get the kills, act as bodyguards or what?
Just curious as I like the idea of a relationship between the Rangers and the Jedi, but see very few Jedi worthy of it. But then, I'm in the rambling on mood this morning too. Might jusy need some stronger coffee.
Plunk
Just curious as I like the idea of a relationship between the Rangers and the Jedi, but see very few Jedi worthy of it. But then, I'm in the rambling on mood this morning too. Might jusy need some stronger coffee.
Plunk
zedboy
Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:41 am
#2
I have a friend who is a Jedi Padawan and he's quite nice. I recently got Master Rifleman and he asked if I could hang around him a bit while he worked on XP. It was the first time I've done this, but while he was getting XP I was gathering resources for camo kits for that planet while doing /areatrack for players every 2 minutes or so. It was fun seeing that we were the only ones in that sector of the planet for that moment in time. When areatrack did pick someone up I'd notify him and we both watched if they got closer or not -- that definitely made my heart pump a bit faster and did indeed keep me up that night (: ... it was real fun.
Cryos_Merovingian
Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:41 am
#3
My relationship with Jedi revolved primarily around my guild. I help them with finding pekos and graul merauders and what have you and I will also help /ar for player if they know they are being hunted. It's fun for me to do this with my guild as they're a great bunch.
Outside of guild.... I will track on occassion for graul merauders etc, but I have started charging btw 400k and 500k per hour. That way, if they can pay it, I'm happy to track. If not, I'm not hurt one bit. The jedi need for tracking has definitely increased my rigidity with tracking. I charge more, ensure I get paid up front, and make it clear that I don't have the magical /Make Creature Spawn ability but only the /areatrack ability. I'm as A$$ now with tracking thanks to all the jedi.
Outside of guild.... I will track on occassion for graul merauders etc, but I have started charging btw 400k and 500k per hour. That way, if they can pay it, I'm happy to track. If not, I'm not hurt one bit. The jedi need for tracking has definitely increased my rigidity with tracking. I charge more, ensure I get paid up front, and make it clear that I don't have the magical /Make Creature Spawn ability but only the /areatrack ability. I'm as A$$ now with tracking thanks to all the jedi.
Oreet
Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:08 am
#4
In my opion (but don't want to start a debate on this) Jedi shouldn't even be in SWG. This is the wrong time period to have them running around.
that being said, i realize that since this is a Star Wars game, you almost MUST have Jedi in it to appeal to the masses.
personally, I never track for hire. I don't do it for Jedi trial targets, or the hero of tatooine. in fact, ever since they fixed the hero tatooine, i have grown to loathe the planet of Tatooine. I like to keep myself searchable in case someone needs training, or is looking for someone to gather organics for them, but the moment i land on Tatooine, i get over-run with requests to find the Bladeback Boar, or the Moisture Farmer, or those darn pirates. I always give the same response, "Nope, I don't do that sort of work"
i think one thing that's making this even worse for me, is that i've become one of the primary organics suppliers for a few very prominant Lowca crafters, and therefore i've started to gain some recognition as being a good Ranger.
if i'm out on Naboo, and i see a peko peko albatross, i'll go into the auction channel, and planet channel, give the coordinates of the peko, and tell everyone that it's first come first serve, as i'm now leaving the area. i've done this with albatrosses, and the blurrg type they need (Crimson Blurrg i think?).
that's just me, to me, searching for these rare creatures isn't fun. and since i'm in the game to have fun, i play the game the way that i wish to do, and so i don't take tracking contracts.
i do have a good friend who is a MBE, and i will track down creatures for her that she needs to sample DNA off of, such as Merek Harvesters, and Slinking Voritors, but I do that free of charge, as i enjoy the company. i'll also help friends with krayt tracking sometimes, but i never have any luck. 
Veustuh
Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:54 am
#5
It varies is about the easiest answer. Many times (and I hear this constantly in guild chat when somebody's doing the knight trials) is that they think we can "magically" make their trial creatures spawn for them or we'll be able to instantly find it for them. Many times we'd do exactly like they'd do and just roam around planets (especially when they're broken) until we come across the spawn that they need. It does get very tiresome to explain to people that I cannot make creatures or lairs appear nor can I guarantee that the agro that I've found on area track will be there when we arrive if it's past 250m. Krayt are the worst about this as we lose tracking of one of the largest creatures in SW:G at 300m and that's even if we still have a target lock on them. Any more like another poster suggested if I do track for a Jedi (especially out of guild) it will cost at least 250k per hour for my services.
RangerMoe
Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:59 am
#6
I myself haven't tracked for anyone before just for myself. But last night I got a tell from a friend that know a Toon in the Jedi trails that needed my help. So I sent a tell to him, and the whole time him was calling me Sir and everything. He offered me 250k for each target I found for him so after about a hour on Yavin4 we both found the 5 targets he needed. The good thing about this toon, he paid me 2 million for my time and trouble. This is the 1st time doing something like this, not just hunting for someone. And my not be the last, it was fun. 
Oreet
Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:00 am
#7
If you do choose to track for hire, as others have already stated, charge for your time, not your results.
you could comb all of naboo for 10 hours straight, and never find a peko peko albatross. so keep that in mind if you want to make a business of tracking.
Puck_Starfire
Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:28 am
#8
I help guild Jedi if need be. But honestly, few Jedi need our help. Maybe to track, but then I'm very selective. If a Jedi proves he lives by the Code(mature player who can RP and isn't into ganking everyone in sight), then I'll talk. Most Jedi just act as gankers tho.
FultonMeigs
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:12 pm
#9
In cannon the Antarian Rangers were a group that assisted the Jedi as a sort of paramilitary organization. Most of the Rangers were drawn to this relationship because they were Force Sensitive but not so greatly so that they were likely to follow the Jedi path themselves (exactly the way I am playing myRanger). In the SWG world all the inhabitants of the "the village" would be potential Antarian Ranger recruits. While I don't think the structure of the game very much drives the Jedi to need Rangers (I'm of the opinion that the game is not nearly as immersive and interactively driven as I had originally hoped) I would very much enjoy working with them in the game in all the roles you mentioned above ( tracker, lookout, bodyguard, etc.). I think it would make for a great part of game play.
I have worked with and tracked for a few Jedi but each of those engagements was more of the usual "one player needs help from another player" sort and not character to character interaction necessarily. I for one wish a great deal more role-playing went on in this game and I do what I can to support it. I have pretty much reached a point where any request of any type that starts out with "hey dude..." will be ignored and I have come to value the RP aspects of the game over all else. Basically it come down to this for me. If SWG can't be an immersive and relaxing bit of distraction and enjoyment (vis-a-vis role playing) then tracking Bounty Hunters or Peko Peko's becomes just another item on my "To Dolist" right next to washing the dog. And there simply are not enough imaginary credits in the non-existant galaxy of Kuari to justify that.
Reos2
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:24 pm
#10
I charge 200k for one hour's worth of searching, whether I find the mark or not. Those are my terms. Take them or leave them.
FourthNail
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:35 pm
#11
FultonMeigs wrote:In cannon the Antarian Rangers were a group that assisted the Jedi as a sort of paramilitary organization. Most of the Rangers were drawn to this relationship because they were Force Sensitive but not so greatly so that they were likely to follow the Jedi path themselves (exactly the way I am playing my Ranger). In the SWG world all the inhabitants of the "the village" would be potential Antarian Ranger recruits. While I don't think the structure of the game very much drives the Jedi to need Rangers (I'm of the opinion that the game is not nearly as immersive and interactively driven as I had originally hoped) I would very much enjoy working with them in the game in all the roles you mentioned above ( tracker, lookout, bodyguard, etc.). I think it would make for a great part of game play.I have worked with and tracked for a few Jedi but each of those engagements was more of the usual "one player needs help from another player" sort and not character to character interaction necessarily. I for one wish a great deal more role-playing went on in this game and I do what I can to support it. I have pretty much reached a point where any request of any type that starts out with "hey dude..." will be ignored and I have come to value the RP aspects of the game over all else. Basically it come down to this for me. If SWG can't be an immersive and relaxing bit of distraction and enjoyment (vis-a-vis role playing) then tracking Bounty Hunters or Peko Peko's becomes just another item on my "To Do list" right next to washing the dog. And there simply are not enough imaginary credits in the non-existant galaxy of Kuari to justify that.
My thoughts exactly. Someone mentioned a week or so ago in a discussiona about the Antarians in that they had a specific idea on how Jedi in this game should act. If I could find those characters in this game, I would have a lot more fun than hunting Corellian butterflies for 50cpu or dwarf nunas for 80.
I want that kind of role playing in this game, it's what I was looking for to begin with. Maybe by helping to start the Antarian faction on Gorath, we can bring a little of that back. I see very few RPG'ers on our server and hoping that I can help by providing some sort of catalyst for it. I like the idea of Jedi in this game. I know it's not historically correct, but then again, neither are a faction of dark Jedi. But hey, this is the game we bought so I'll play my part to a tee.
Rangers lead the way,
Plunk
frightwig
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:39 pm
#12
Are you asking about the Antarian Ranger ranger/jedi relationship from the EU and P&P RPG? Or are you talking about the relationship that exists in SWG?
In SWG, there's no more of a relationship between us and jedi as there is between Image Designers and Droid Engineers. There's nothing inherent in the game mechanics that provide for this.
In fact, although there are several Antarian ranger PAs on different servers, it basically is just a name chosen with no real purpose. A guy named Zkull started the idea of a cross server ranger guild, basically with the purpose of helping each other out and forming close friendships among rangers.
It took a while for the community to come up with the name, but eventually someone suggested "Antarian Rangers" from the RPG and EU. Even then, it's purpose wasn't to help jedi.. it was basically just a name that sounded good to everyone.
Later, some of those guilds decided to go along with the AR philosophy and roleplay aspect, but that was abandoned with the patch that gave a TEF to saber use and increasing their visibility on the terminals. And the fact that even then, jedi didn't need out help.
Still, these days it's assumed that Antarian Ranger guilds exist to help jedi. Apart from them wanting us to track for their Knight trials, my answer to people who ask me in game "Do you guys help Jedi?" is usually "Why would a jedi need help from an underpowered class?".
In SWG, there's no more of a relationship between us and jedi as there is between Image Designers and Droid Engineers. There's nothing inherent in the game mechanics that provide for this.
In fact, although there are several Antarian ranger PAs on different servers, it basically is just a name chosen with no real purpose. A guy named Zkull started the idea of a cross server ranger guild, basically with the purpose of helping each other out and forming close friendships among rangers.
It took a while for the community to come up with the name, but eventually someone suggested "Antarian Rangers" from the RPG and EU. Even then, it's purpose wasn't to help jedi.. it was basically just a name that sounded good to everyone.
Later, some of those guilds decided to go along with the AR philosophy and roleplay aspect, but that was abandoned with the patch that gave a TEF to saber use and increasing their visibility on the terminals. And the fact that even then, jedi didn't need out help.
Still, these days it's assumed that Antarian Ranger guilds exist to help jedi. Apart from them wanting us to track for their Knight trials, my answer to people who ask me in game "Do you guys help Jedi?" is usually "Why would a jedi need help from an underpowered class?".
FourthNail
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:44 pm
#13
I was asking a bit about both in hopes that someone had found a way to actually incorporate the Antarian ideology into the game in something other than a name. Maybe I'm asking too much out of this game but I'm really missing the RPG aspects of it. But then again, Rangers do work alone and out in the wilderness so maybe I'm doing it right afterall lol.
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