Ranger Archive
Thread: Idea for new SL skills, Any rangers have a problem with this?
why would I post a new SL ability sugguestion on the ranger forum? no im not lost, this idea isnt mine but we have been discussing it amoung the other SLs and a couple of us thoguht we should bring it up here because there may be some rangers that would have a problem with the idea.
the orginal thread is here:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=squad_leader&message.id=5405
please dont freak out by the title
the general idea is that Squad leaders would get a kit item, like a camp, that when set up it provides increaded defences for members of the group inside the temporary stucture. and posibly increaded SL skills as well.
but, ITS NOT A CAMP, these kits would not preovide any healing bonuses, wound healing, entertainer permitions, or anything that the ranger and scout camps provide. they simply increase melee and ranged defences during combate. i sugguested calling them 'Fortification kits'
i personaly belive that if this was added to SL it wouldnt take anything away form rangers, these kits would not reduce the need for ranger/scout camps, but we thought the Rangers should be aware of this sugguestion in case for some reason you do feel this sugguested addition would hurt your profession in some way.
Sounds Like one of the New Ranger camps to me.
I think i remember reading somewhere that we may be getting some new camps with different purposes ( increased Defense etc) in the future.
I can see squad leaders being able to fortify a position.. build "trenches".. manipulate the environment to provide a greater bonus for cover. onsidering that a SL has to complete the camping line of a scout, I don't have any problem with the concept. As with anything in this game, implementation is the key though.
I think it would be wonderful if pairing up with a squad leader would augment both classes. As a previous poster mentioned, if I could plop down HTFB, then have you create trenches and fortifications around it ... I would be a happy ranger indeed.
I wish SL's luck and hope you get some really nice improvements.
I am a Ranger who regularly groups with a Squad Leader, and I for one would love to see this. I think the scenario the earlier post had with the HTFB augmented with SL defenses, would be great. But extend this to some of the other camp types that have been proposed for Rangers. Specifically, the Hunting Blind. Not only would the **edit** BAF and aggro critters have a harder time seeing us, but with the defenses in place, once the blind fails we would still have a good position to fight from. If Ranger Camps like the blind happen and are extended to PvP play, then suddenly the combination of Ranger and Squad Leader becomes almost a requirement for a good-sized PvP team trying to ambush the enemy, or avoid the ambush of an enemy.
Alyc Volelsayer, Kauri Ranger
Naboo, Tatooine, Yavin, etc- mostly everywhere but Endor. I hate Endor...
*imagines a master sl placing turrets around and a shield generator inside the htfb*
all of a sudden you have a forward command center! now that would be not only fun, but might put some strategy into mass pvp 
That's a pretty good idea. If it's the way you say,only defence, no healing or other scout camp bunuses, I don't have a problem with it.
One suggestion myself and others have come up with for Rangers is the Group Terrain Negotiation that SL give. This would be because we are the trail blazer. But I understand that is one of the godd skills SL get for grouping and why a group might pick up a SL, AND a Ranger.
What do you think about that?
Squidwalker wrote:
One suggestion myself and others have come up with for Rangers is the Group Terrain Negotiation that SL give. This would be because we are the trail blazer. But I understand that is one of the godd skills SL get for grouping and why a group might pick up a SL, AND a Ranger.
What do you think about that?
well i have a bit of a problem with that, a ranger has terrain nav because you guys know the land you have explored far and wide and your familar with hostil environments, thats basicaly the definition of a ranger, big time outdoorsmen. and a SL is a person that leads a group and one of our more importaint jobs is keeping that group together. this is what group terrain nav is for, its how we help kee our squad together by bosting the terrain nav for those who have not learned any of the exploration boxes. it keeps them form falling behind while running cross country. i dont think a ranger would know anything about keep a group together.
and like you said this is one of the GOOD and working skills we SLs have right now, and SLs are not in any huge demand at the moment because our profession is bugged and we dont have any uber skills that group are desperate to have. ranger on the other hand have the area track which seems to be very usful in certin situations as wel as your big camps. i really would hate to see a shared skill that would make SL almost unnessicay.
We have talked about all types of "additions" and "modifications" to camps that include other professions. I, for one, would like to feel needed in a group more than I am now.
I have met a few SL's that like having a Ranger in the group for tracking. A new skill we have acquired.
I was talking about this with a friend the other day and we really liked the idea of having the two different types of 'camps' work together. For instance the SLs fortification would have walls and some defenses (we especially like the idea of having weapons that would have to be fired bya player). then on the radial of the fortification there would be an option that rangerswould seeto 'nest campsite' the nested campsite would provide the healing bonus and benefits of being in the camp to the fortification (andhave a visual, and maybe some special abilities that aren't available to either of the types solo)and would remain until the SL disbanded his fort.
It would also be interesting if the campsite and fortification had to be the same type.. so the HTFB could only be used with the top SL fort.
Or Fortifications could be added on to a Campsite Via a Squadleader, or a Campsite added on to Fortifications Via Ranger...
Fortifications and Ranger Camps can stand alone, but they can also stand together for a 2x bonus... It would give us more of a reason to hang out haha
The General Idea is we both should be able to stand alone, but if we Stand Together, we're even better... Make it so we can do some incredible things when paired up... It would add a whole new Facet to Travel and Combat...
well that might be a bit difficult for the DEVs to impliment but i like it. alone fortifications could be useful for PvE and then set up a camp when the battle is over to recover, or for mass PvP combat they could be combined to make a tactical comand station. and then once they add in the combate engineer profession (at least i think they are going to, i remember reading something about that but its been a while) the fortifed camps could be out fitted with turrents. if they can find a way to do all this then ever single group would kill to get themselves a SL, ranger, and a Combate Engineer. combined we be able to provide some serious support to the GCW
Swiftblue wrote:
Or Fortifications could be added on to a Campsite Via a Squadleader, or a Campsite added on to Fortifications Via Ranger...
Fortifications and Ranger Camps can stand alone, but they can also stand together for a 2x bonus... It would give us more of a reason to hang out haha