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Thread: Ousted by a DE...

Rhyeal
Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:19 am
#1

Well, reading the Publish 7 notes again...I couldnt beleive that Rangers have nothing in there. Looks like DEs get Publish 8 as well...so when do we get some love? DE has SOME purpose right now...after Publish 7, all Rangers will be is mobile harvestors. Our traps are useless, areatrack is broken, our bonuses dont apply, our camps are now worthless...I was hoping that they would nerf the camp requirement, but then give us the mod camp idea...no such luck I am still sticking by Ranger though, we will, eventually, get what we want.




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AgonThalia
Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:36 am
#2

While I really want Rangers to get some attention, I think that the DE's need to get some first. Their prof has been borked since day one and no one really deals with them, except as a means to an end...they get their med droid, and thats it.

Rangers are still functional and I will stick around because I think that in the future, we will have some great things coming.



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NRaas
Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:40 am
#3

"no one really deals with them, except as a means to an end...they get their med droid, and thats it."


Agreed. That is what I did as well. Got my spiffy little WeDGI crafting droid, and never spoke to a DE again.


Ourselves, we are in huge demand... Just take a look at the BE thread trying to supplement us with bio-farms. If there wasn't demand for professional hunting services, there wouldn't be a need for such a thread.




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spoff
Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:04 am
#4

Bit of a shame though, that as we leaf through the profession fixes, patch after patch, the alphabetic list always seems to skip from Politician to Scout..........

I think they have something against the professions that begin with the letter R

OH NOOOOOOO, i'm a Master Ranger / Rifleman combo



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Iseult
Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:34 am
#5

I don't know if we are completely loosing out with this next update though - better droids = better tanks, at least for those of us without CH skills. Also no more camps has an advantage, esp. when it comes to droids - if they still let us keep up to five in the datapad, then that means it will be that much easier to pull them out, etc...


I don't know how useful it is to think of changes as being profession specific -- yes they do enhance one profession specifically, but their benefits still have an impact on us -- for example, there was not very much ranger love in the last update either, but we did get chef foods to enhance our maskscent and harvesting capabilities, a camo enhancing ring as a theme park reward as well as a camo-enhancing backpack, better weapons, the return of the gorax (well - the rumored return of the gorax), and perhaps best of all, greater demand for our services from BEs and Chefs.


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Azrael101
Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:04 pm
#6

no offense, but when i reached master DE, I realized it was the dummest profession in the face of existance.


Yep it was that sad. I dropped itater giving it a week.


We rangerscan still track and ppl love the harvest and tracking krayts, pekos, etc


DE's are a seriously gimped profession, only useful for making a crafting droid, until now. CL10 droids, yeah whoopee, it's still gimped.


nuff said





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Salisdus
Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:19 pm
#7

Acutalld DE's wherent broken from day 1 I remember when a probot could kill a Rancor then the devs found how over powered they where like 1 month in and nerfed the hell out of them untill they are now, as for the rest of the droids I cant remember if they where borken or not I just remembered the Probots.
Puck_Starfire
Thu Feb 26, 2004 8:24 pm
#8

Well as a DE, I can tell you that the profession isn't all that broken per se, but it is useless. Probots were the major blow to the profession. People still buy them, but usually newbie characters who need a light tank up front. I can't give it up though. It took me 5 months to make Master DE, since I didn't grind it and took a few detours along the way. And as much as I want to drop the profession, I can't bring myself to it. I've invested so much and I get into my characters' roles. But I am weening myself away by slowly trading points in for Medic/Doctor. Someday.....




Rhyeal
Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:03 pm
#9

yes, we might have droid tanks, but they will be higher cl...i heard DH is gonna be DEs pretty much...DE will have the uber droids...honestly, could a novice entertainer control a Destroyer Droid? Some one who works with droids would know how to tho...really, i ahve to basis form this proof other tahn a rumor i heard, so, Nraas, correct me




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NRaas
Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:07 pm
#10

"i heard DH is gonna be DEs pretty much...DE will have the uber droids"


The initial proposal defined by the developers was to create a new profession called Droid Handler... That profession would force players to spend skill points to gain the added power that a droid provides. The droids, of course, would still be created by the DE profession.


The DE community apparently were not that keen on that idea though, and the developers postponed the idea (I'm sure we'll see it arise later down the line).


Anywho... The next publishes will see an improvement of the current utility droids (the ones that don't attack), and a workover of combat droidsin theCL10 and under range.


CL10 combat droids are usable by all players (just like CL10 creature pets), so I don't know howuseful they will actually be.


As for the droids CL11 and greater... As I said, those have been postponed until later by popular demand.




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Puck_Starfire
Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:48 pm
#11

I'll clarify. The DE community originally asked for certifications. Basically, to use the higher-level droids, you had to be a high-level character(ie. Master). The devs found this to be too much coding so they came up with Droid Handler, the Droid version of Creature Handler. DE's fought this tooth and nail, believing everyone should be able to use Droids, not jsut some stupid profession. The devs said they would not give out high-level Droids to players unless they sunk skill points into something to earn the ability to use these Droids. The arguing went back and forth, and finally the devs decided to put the idea "back on the shelf" and instead release a few more CL10 Droids over the next few publishes. So, you will see ridiculous things like R2 units with rifles duck-taped to their domes. But for the IG Assassin Droids and Droidekas and Federation Battle Droids, you'll have to wait until the devs come up with a sensible solution other than Droid Handler.
NRaas
Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:14 pm
#12

"The devs said they would not give out high-level Droids to players unless they sunk skill points into something to earn the ability to use these Droids."


Personally, I findthatthe only sensible solution. With the increased power of a droid comes a reduction in skill points that can be used on other skills, thereby preserving the balance.


I never understood the reasoning behind giving the more powerful droids to the more powerful characters...


Wouldn't that simply make them even more powerful? In the end droids would become status quo, as every high level character would be able to use one.


It sounds a lot like the Pet wars system that ragedafter launch... Rather a Droid wars, where everyone has a droid, and no can compete without one.


In the end, such a system would have required a rebalancing of the entire PvE system to compensate for the increased power of each player... And that was why the developers considered it too much work.




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Iseult
Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:12 am
#13






Salisdus wrote:
Acutalld DE's wherent broken from day 1 I remember when a probot could kill a Rancor then the devs found how over powered they where like 1 month in and nerfed the hell out of them untill they are now, as for the rest of the droids I cant remember if they where borken or not I just remembered the Probots.





I'm sort of afraid to post this here (I don't want another nerf), but I love my four 18k (that is 18k to purchase, not 18k ham) post-nerf probots. No, they don't do any damage at all, and no they don't have tons of ham, but they do have really, really good armor, which means that they can take a beating before they go down. This makes them really good tanks, esp. against more powerful social creatures. I'm not talking about krayts or rancors here - I mean bolls, faambas, sharnoffs, gurrecks, etc... While I can handle oneto three of these creatures by myselffouror more is a challenge.


But I can send a probot in, have it take the aggro, and then stand back and fan shot in relative safety. Again, the probot's purpose is not take inflict damage, but to absorb it, and my probots seem very, very good at this. My job is to do the shooting and the probot's job is to do the blocking.... Now I can see why people without advanced combat skills might think that probots suck -- if you can't do the damage, the probot certainly won't help you out. But as a master pistoleer, I can do a lot of damage relatively quickly if I can just keep creatures from hitting my action pool, which is always dangerously low due to the cost of my specials.


In addtion, I can also have up to five probots in my datapad at once, which means that when one probot gets chewed up (or is low on ham) I can store it and call another. And my probots regenerate their health really quicky when they are stored, so by the time I call the first one again, it is almost, if not entirely,healed.


And I always feel much more star-warsy when I use my probots -- they really got the look and feel of the probots right; I don't know, sending some bit cat or big bug into a fight just seems like every-other medieval-based mmorpg out there.


ok -- enough of my defense of probots haha


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