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They compare us to the revamped Ranger that we never got, by saying Ranger is the same as Spy. They said this is what you will become, so this is what you are!

I have never played any prof like this new Spy and I am Ranger...so where is the comparison coming from?

The comparrison is from Ranger was headed. Let's say we had gotten that revamp. Then if they released the NGE, it'd be obvious that Spy was just the same as Ranger, right? The skills that some of us were looking forwards to (stealth, for example) that were going to be Ranger skills, are now spy skills. So if I was looking at the changes as a positive, I still have an option for those changes-- spy. Spy is basically a light assault troop, it appears. So that's how I always envisioned Ranger. Stealthy and tactical.

Nah, much as I hope I'm going to enjoy playing the new version of the game and even playing the Spy profession, I've got to agree with Calc.

Spy != Ranger

I've been saying "ah, well, at most Spy occupies the slot in the skill tree vacated by the rangers when they left town" but it doens't even do that after Scout upped and puffed out.

Yes, the skills in Spy are essentially the ones that would have been ours had Ranger been revamped, but we'd also have had effective creature harvesting and terrain negotiation mods from our scout foundation and combat abilities from whichever damage dealing prof the player chose as their preference de jour.

But having sat reading the Spy forum, it's not Ranger.

Bad analogy time. If we had some potatoes, a bit of sheep meat, couple of onions and some greens and I boiled the lot up and served it as soup when you were hoping for consomme followed by gigot d'agneau avec pomme de terre, you'd not accept my saying "but it's got all the same stuff in..."

I think we have to accept that, for now, the Rangers have left the building even if we do live on in spirit and get on with making the best of what's on offer now.

"All you can do is play the game that's in front of you"

Initially, I tried comforting myself with the idea that Ranger was in the NGE, but with "Spy" as a new name. Although, when you think about it, if the revamp had went through, even Ranger wasn't going to be Ranger, it was just going to share the name. This isn't a criticism, as the "New-Ranger/Spy" outline sounded fun, but isn't what we have been.

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"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain"

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That has to be one of the best quotes from Blade Runner

/nod...

rangers can track... conceal... camp... i think adhering to the spy class isour attempt at "hanging on" - not admitting thatranger was removed, rather than redirected, renamed, and replaced...

(that last "sentence" sounds like something scooby doo would say)

For me being a spy is still where i wanted to be as a ranger so i definatly feel rangerish playing my spy. Some may have differentfeelings and have differentideas about what playing a is all about but to me the sneaking around aspects, the escape tactics all lend themselves to the primary factors of what ranger has always been for me. Fromthe ranger of old, to the revamp concept to theNGE ranger (spy) its all the same for me,enhancing the aspects of the profession that i have always felt have been ourprimary features and roles.

There is a difference, sure, the name has been changed to spy and somethings added/removed but the basics are still there, the key features are still there, im still aranger.

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Owen-Lars wrote:
There is a difference, sure, the name has been changed to spy and somethings added/removed but the basics are still there, the key features are still there, im still a ranger.

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Even though I preferred the hunting 'application' of Ranger, I could have agreed with the quoted statement had we of gotten our revamp as promised. Although now that scout is no longer part of the game and the promise of a revamp broken, there's just not enough there link "Spy" to "Ranger".

In other words, to get from Ranger to Spy we do the following

• Change the name
• Remove a load of features
• Add a load of new features
• Rip Scout and associated skills out of the game completely

I don't know about you, but that sounds like the recipie of a totally different profession to me.

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WeiQuin wrote:

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"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain"

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That has to be one of the best quotes from Blade Runner

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"... time to die ..."

The thing is though dave everyone has a different idea about what ranger is, was and is going to be. Just because you dont feel there are enough links doesnt mean that to others there are not links, very strong links.

blade runner is a top 20 movie of all time. The graphics leave something to be desired, sure, but the story is SO much more important.

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Message Edited by Soterios on 11-06-2005 07:36 PM

Actually as much as I hate to see the scout professions all die. Owen isnt and doesn't brownnose. It isnt his style. Spy is truly and honestly what he wanted to see out of Ranger. He wanted us to become the Antarian Rangers.

So go back and edit your post before the flames fly. But understand that Owen is someone who would never do that. This is truly wanted he, and half the ranger population, wanted out of Ranger. The other half of us, myself included, wanted and want a creature specific profession.