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Thread: DE Getting another Revamp NOT Ranger
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Hmmm...I see a note about DEs getting revamped...but I don't see anything that says when.
There is no timeframe there, and there also aren't any notes on the Squad Leader Change, which, according to JFreeman should be betting introduced in publish 24 or 25. So perhaps not every possible change was listed because there were giving the changes that were going to affect a larger segment of the community. So they didn't feel the need to put in all the info on "niche" professions like SL or Ranger because honestly, how many people would stand up and cheer for Ranger changes? Very few, if our position on the most mastered profession is any indication.
In other words, this is another example of chicken little syndrome. Nowhere on there does it explicitly (or even implicitly) state anything abou which order professions are getting revamped in, or when we can expect these changes. The only thing we have a timeframe on is the Trials of Obi-Wan expansion. November 1st. Other than that, everything else is idle speculation until we have more definitive proof. Unless you have data that says a dev said "DE will be revamped in the next publish" you have absolutely no evidence that they're going to get worked on before us.
This is what I'm talking about people. You can be critical of SOE and their policies, and wary of being overly hopeful. But when you take a benign piece of info like "DE's will be recive a revamp" and warp it into "DE's Getting another Revamp NOT Ranger", you've gone past being objective and are no longer being helpful in any way, shape or form.
Evidence! DE has a past history of 3 Revamps. What history does Ranger have. Everytime DE has been told they are getting a rework or revamp they have gotten it. DE is seen as vital to the SWG content, we are not.
Phenix1050 wrote:
Hmmm...I see a note about DEs getting revamped...but I don't see anything that says when.
There is no timeframe there, and there also aren't any notes on the Squad Leader Change, which, according to JFreeman should be betting introduced in publish 24 or 25. So perhaps not every possible change was listed because there were giving the changes that were going to affect a larger segment of the community. So they didn't feel the need to put in all the info on "niche" professions like SL or Ranger because honestly, how many people would stand up and cheer for Ranger changes? Very few, if our position on the most mastered profession is any indication.
In other words, this is another example of chicken little syndrome. Nowhere on there does it explicitly (or even implicitly) state anything abou which order professions are getting revamped in, or when we can expect these changes. The only thing we have a timeframe on is the Trials of Obi-Wan expansion. November 1st. Other than that, everything else is idle speculation until we have more definitive proof. Unless you have data that says a dev said "DE will be revamped in the next publish" you have absolutely no evidence that they're going to get worked on before us.
This is what I'm talking about people. You can be critical of SOE and their policies, and wary of being overly hopeful. But when you take a benign piece of info like "DE's will be recive a revamp" and warp it into "DE's Getting another Revamp NOT Ranger", you've gone past being objective and are no longer being helpful in any way, shape or form.
Message Edited by Serraphin on 08-21-2005 10:00 AM
Serraphin wrote:
Evidence! DE has a past history of 3 Revamps. What history does Ranger have. Everytime DE has been told they are getting a rework or revamp they have gotten it. DE is seen as vital to the SWG content, we are not.
Um...hate to burst your bubble, but that's not "evidence"...it's still just speculation...because there is still no timeframe. Past behavior cannot always be established as evidense of future action, which is why in a court of law, past action is often viewed as one of the most easily defeated arguments. Good evidense is something concrete. For example: SL have gotten word that they're going to be worked on in Pub 24-25. Yet there's not a note in your list about their changes. Therefore it is a FACT that not all upcoming changes were put on that list. It is also an indisputable fact that nowhere in your list is there any word of when these changes will come out.
Serraphin wrote:
Also if you look where Dev man hours must now go Trials of Obi and Jedi FRS and anything that will be included to meet the Lucas Arts deadline for Trials then Ranger and SL must lose out.
Well considiering that pub 23 is going to a bug-fix patch...and 24 is when JFreeman speculated SL changes would be coming...I'm going to go out onlimb here and say that SL will get changes before they implement a new FRS. Also, Trials of Obi-Wan is an expansion...and most expansions are worked on by a completely seperate team than the ones working on professions...so simply because Trials is coming out doesn't mean that all developers are working on that, and in fact it's likely that there are two teams, so Trials won't affect work on professions until it's live and all the bugs surface...which mean November.
Again, all you have is speculation. It's fine to say that you believe that, but trying to state your fears as fact is simply childish.
But eh, SL has their revamp first, and we've pretty much been ignored for a long time. I'm willing to say good for the DEs because I'm used to my bugs and maybe with another droid I'll be even better. Who knows, such is the state of affairs.
Message Edited by BioEngine on 08-21-2005 12:42 PM
The simple fact is: The only way we would get attention is by luck or whining only achieved by an entire 300 page whinefest dedicated to our cause. Personally I doubt even that would get us attention for a revamp, just more excuses, so I'm more content just waiting it out.
BioEngine wrote:
I keep seeing notice of other professions getting a revamp. If we don't care enough about our own revamp, why should the Devs? This is why I have been stating the reasons that we need a revamp, and what indicates that we aren't going to get one at all, never mind any time soon. They keep noting "new and exciting changes" which will help move attention from the fact that they have already stated at a previous fan fest which professions will be getting attention. I think they are trying to make it easier to ignore us, and we make it easy for them by not caring in my opinion.
Where do you get this? I don't think there's a single person who doesn't care about a Ranger revamp on this forum. How many people have presented constructive ideas, proposals, thoughts, etc. I know a lot of people care about this profession more than is healthy (myself included). How you can look at the "genius" thread and not see a bunch of people who care about getting a revamp is beyond me. Maybe people don't agree that complaining about it is the best course of action, but that doesn't mean they don't care about a revamp. They might simply feel other tactics are more effectve.
Ask anybody on these forums. My guess is that they'll tell you they care about Ranger getting a revamp.
I can't even respond to any of your other points when you insult me and the rest of the Ranger community by insinuating that we don't care about getting what we deserve. I realize that not everybody agrees with your tactics, but to say that they don't care is like telling somebody that if they don't believe in your religion, that they don't care about God.
Ok, maybe I should have placed "not caring when we get our revamp."
I apoligize, and will edit my original post, since that single word makes a big difference. You guys just seem to watch other professions getting their good changes with "oh, good for them" attitudes, but I don't know how much more of that I could take.