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Thread: Unabled to advanced up the ranger tree due to skill point requirement

RamaDragonStar
Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:50 am
#1

I have a avatar on the live (chilastra) sever and am sick and tired of not be abled to find any master ranger players since most have dropped those profession all because the holo grind crap. But what bugs me the most is that I do not have enough skill points to advance up a box when going to a npc ranger trainer.


I AM NOT THAT INTERESTED IN DROPPING MY OTHER PROFFESSIONS JUST TO GET SKILL POINTS.


How in the heck am I suppose to get 33 total skill points for Ranger when I do not have enough master professions as it is? I have spent countless hours grinding on CH, Medic, Carbineer and really do not want to drop them to get skill points to get one box.


Wish you devs REMOVE THESE SKILL POINT REQUIREMENTS FROM THE PROFESSION TREE or at least have a means of getting skill points without having to drop other professions to get one 1 box.


Calculus_Entropy
Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:54 am
#2

Huh? I am not sure I get your post....I will say we all have to deal with skill points issue. THere is a reason they are there, and we all make sacrifices becuase of them.



Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.
RamaDragonStar
Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:08 am
#3

Am currently working on Novice Carbineer 2-2-2-2, Novice CH 2-1-1-1, Novice Medic 3-3-3-3 and Novice Ranger 1-1-1-0. Already have Master Marksman and Master Scout.


I had to drop Novice Pistoleer 2-2-2-2 and Novice Rifleman 1-1-1-1 in order to get Novice Ranger, Novice Medic and Novice CH.


Now tell me how in heck am I suppose to get extra skill points?


What is the point of paying for a game if one cannot advance due to not having enough skill points or are the devs do this on purpose making the grind extremely hard and near impossible to get anything done?


33 skill points more to finish ranger, give me a break. How in the heck can a player get those skill points?


Owen-Lars
Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:08 am
#4

hehe im confussed


Ill say you tailor your template how you want but within the limits of the system.


If you want something more than another, you must be prepared to sacrifice some things



THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
RANGER
Owen-Lars
Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:11 am
#5

you have a set amount of skill points to fit your template into, its up to you to choose the combo that:


A: Fits the system limits


B: You like and will enjoy



Skill points are there for a reason, the main one being to make character unique and also give each player distinct advantages and disadvantages in certain areas.


oh and you CANNOT get more than 250 skill points





THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
RANGER
RamaDragonStar
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:03 am
#6






Owen-Lars wrote:

you have a set amount of skill points to fit your template into, its up to you to choose the combo that:


A: Fits the system limits


B: You like and will enjoy



Skill points are there for a reason, the main one being to make character unique and also give each player distinct advantages and disadvantages in certain areas.


oh and you CANNOT get more than 250 skill points









Yes am quite aware that you cannot have more than 250 points. However I only have currently 1/250 points left. And there is no way I can see that will get more skill points.Today was chatting with a former player who quit SWG. He told me "only way to get ahead in SWG and get skill points is to use bug exploits".


Am not a powergamer nor a online cheater, but it seems that with current system in place that it gives the impression that one must use bug exploits to get ahead.



AgonThalia
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:07 am
#7

and it is those cheaters and exploiters that turn great ideas by the good players into worries by the devs about griefers and exploiters.

Im not sure about what you mean by "getting ahead" are you talking about being rich? or being an uber dude?

Do you want to solo the queen of nightsisters? At what point does "getting ahead" intersect with "having fun" in a computer game?



Draknev
The Last Ranger Correspondent
Subterfuge and Sabotage, Concealment and Camouflage:
Colonel: Rebel Alliance

Owen-Lars
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:16 am
#8

Sorry like i said i was confussed as to the purpose of your inquirey on our boards.


I know its hard to surrender one thing for another but it has to be done, its all about balancing how you want to play and what you want to do. I dont think it would be fair to allow players to master ALL the professions they want at one time. It would play too much into the hands of the powergamers who have far too much time on their hands if you ask me


And as for cheating and exploiting im glad you have stayed this side of the line. You can still have lots of fun and create a great character without resorting to cheating etc and tbh i think that ex player was overstating the type of exploits that can be done in this game. As far as im aware player cannot even through exploit gain extra skills etc.


If you try to make a character to be better than everyone else you will be forever grinding and working on it, because there will be allways somefrail 34 year old man living in his parentsbasement that thinks the same.


Have fun creating a unique character rather than a character that wants to OWN everyone or be the latest uber template.


The skill points are there for a reason and i think its a good system (obviously my own opinion)



THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
RANGER
Shaylin
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:20 am
#9






RamaDragonStar wrote:

Am currently working on Novice Carbineer 2-2-2-2, Novice CH 2-1-1-1, Novice Medic 3-3-3-3 and Novice Ranger 1-1-1-0. Already have Master Marksman and Master Scout.


I had to drop Novice Pistoleer 2-2-2-2 and Novice Rifleman 1-1-1-1 in order to get Novice Ranger, Novice Medic and Novice CH.


Now tell me how in heck am I suppose to get extra skill points?


What is the point of paying for a game if one cannot advance due to not having enough skill points or are the devs do this on purpose making the grind extremely hard and near impossible to get anything done?


33 skill points more to finish ranger, give me a break. How in the heck can a player get those skill points?









It sounds like you just don't have a goal for what you want out of your character. Since you already know you have a max of 250 skill points, you need to decide what professions are the most fun and interesting to you. Pick a weapon/combat type that you enjoy, then add to that.


If you are into PVP, you might not want to tie up skill points with CH. If you really enjoy the pets and are more into PVE, then CH is good.


Here is a link to a character builder where you can fiddle around and see what combinations you can get with the 250 skill points available:


http://swg.allakhazam.com/db/charbuild.html



You can come up with very powerful combat templates, very useful support templates and very lucrative crafting templates.... but you can't do them all at the same time on one character.




Cressida

Message Edited by Shaylin on 04-13-2004 11:21 AM

RamaDragonStar
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:26 am
#10






AgonThalia wrote:
and it is those cheaters and exploiters that turn great ideas by the good players into worries by the devs about griefers and exploiters.

Im not sure about what you mean by "getting ahead" are you talking about being rich? or being an uber dude?

Do you want to solo the queen of nightsisters? At what point does "getting ahead" intersect with "having fun" in a computer game?




My character goal is to be a Master Ranger, Master Creature Handler, Master Combat Medic and Master Carbineer. Is that too much to ask? Am not interested in being a JEDI. But if there is no way to gain skill points when other player master rangers have dropped their proffession due to the hologrind route then what use is there in playing this game. And if I have to resort to using bug exploits then I might as well cancel my account.


The grind and fustration is becoming stressful. I have enough stress in real life. I like to be abled to have fun in this game but apparenty the devs have made this game a GRINDING HELL.






AgonThalia
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:36 am
#11

Ah....gotcha

after reading my post i thought i was a little rough....

While I agree with you that the hologrind is ruining the game, I think that your ideal template, while really cool ...it is a bit much.

you would have to
Master Scout
Master Medic
Marksman Carbine line, Ranged Support line
Master Ranger
Master Carbineer
Master Combat Medic
Master CH

This would literally make you unstoppable in PvE and PvP. I havent done the math, but thats a lot of skill points. One of the things I do like about this game is the interdependency. I have friends who are all of these professions and we go hunting. I like hunting in groups better than hunting solo. I understand your frustration, but this template would be roughly equal to

Master Medic
Master Brawler
Master Marksman
Master Rifleman
Master Pistoleer
Master Swordsman
Master Fencer

This template would be hugely overpowered and the owner of this template would cut through rancors like they were chubas.

The game is designed for a balance of strengths and weaknesses. Being a Master Ranger, I am very familiar with weaknesses



Draknev
The Last Ranger Correspondent
Subterfuge and Sabotage, Concealment and Camouflage:
Colonel: Rebel Alliance

RamaDragonStar
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:37 am
#12






Shaylin wrote:














It sounds like you just don't have a goal for what you want out of your character. Since you already know you have a max of 250 skill points, you need to decide what professions are the most fun and interesting to you. Pick a weapon/combat type that you enjoy, then add to that.


If you are into PVP, you might not want to tie up skill points with CH. If you really enjoy the pets and are more into PVE, then CH is good.


Here is a link to a character builder where you can fiddle around and see what combinations you can get with the 250 skill points available:


http://swg.allakhazam.com/db/charbuild.html



You can come up with very powerful combat templates, very useful support templates and very lucrative crafting templates.... but you can't do them all at the same time on one character.


Cressida


Message Edited by Shaylin on 04-13-2004 11:21 AM




My primary goal is to be Master Ranger and Master Carbineer

Secondary goals were to have Master Combat Medic and Master Creature handler.


Am not that interested in the PVP aspect of the game since GCW is still broken and faction pvp is worthless.


I do not have 250 maxed out skill points. If I did I would not be posting here. At present only have 1/250 that is 1 skill point out of a possible 250 skill points.


Only have 2 master profession. Master Marksman and Master Scout.Dropping both may get me the needed skill points for one box that is worth 4 skill points. If I did that, it will leave me with 29 skill points left on the ranger tree. And them am SOL since there is no way I can find more skill points.


Am a casual player not some egotistical uber powergamer who 90% of the time use bug exploits and gets away with it.




CatAtomic
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:42 am
#13







RamaDragonStar wrote:


My character goal is to be a Master Ranger, Master Creature Handler, Master Combat Medic and Master Carbineer. Is that too much to ask?






Well... yeah. It is.


I'm not trying to be a jerk, but ifyou could master that many professions (you left out Master Scout and Master Medic, btw), then imagine what the other people would be playing. It'd be all Bounty Hunter/Commando/Master Doctor/ Master TKA's or something.

Message Edited by CatAtomic on 04-13-2004 11:44 AM



Kotha Tull
Master Ranger
Tull Organics- "You can't beat my meat!"
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