Ranger Archive
Thread: New Monkey Making Opportunity
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Phenix1050
Thu May 13, 2004 8:36 am
#1
Okay, it is just me, or does anyone else find it odd that the developers, who talk so amorously about the phrase "inter-dependance" between the classes have just put a publish out that does nothing more than erradicate that for one proffesion?
Okay, I haven't been here since the beginning. When I came to the Ranger professions for the first time in August, Rangers had already gotten love. And I realize that image designers haven't gotten ANY love yet. But I am left wondering why oh why the developers created a proffesion that requires NO materials, NO schematics and NO interdependacnce. I ask this purely out of indignance since yesterday, after the publish, when my stats were about 12 away from their desired values ( i was trying to change them before the publish), i was told it would cost 30k for an Image Designer to redo my stats. When I asked why I should pay so much, I was told because it would take 6 minutes to complete.
EXCUSE ME?!?!Unles we got an AVIAN meat that had perfect 1000 stats across the board, it would be impossible for a Ranger to come CLOSE to that amount of credits/minute. And we're talking about a profesion that requires NO other proffession to work. Stat migration, their newest trick, is an inherent skill, like musicians. Unlike musicians, however, they don't need an instrument. They don't need anything. Does anyone else find this a little disturbing?
I don't want to rant, I want to offer an idea, so I apologize for the above. I realize I could delete it and start again, but the ranting works for me. But here's the point:
I think that ID's shouldn't be the sole proffesion which can make amazing amounts of money and need nothing to make them do their job better. Changing hair color in real life requires product, why shouldn't it be the same in game. ID's can make "hair dye" kits. Changing someones' hair color will consume one of these kits. Heck if they were really smart, they could make the dye add a modifier to the hair dying skills. The better the dye, the more colors they can dye. Same thing for all the other stats. Facial modifications could require a "plastic surgery" tool that has certain charges. These would be to be experimented on for quality and uses.
In case you're going "why is this in the Ranger forum?", allow me to explain:
Dyes in real life were originally made with organic material from the environment. Why not take that one step further and make it so that some of these "kits" (all the kit's they're going to use for Re-designing) require harvestable materials from animals? For facial surgery, perhaps hide to provide a "protective cover" when the face is being re-shaped. Maybe bone for making the tool. Animal meat could be used for dyes, and specific types of meat could be used for advanced dyes.
I don't know. Just a rant/idea. a randea, if you will. or if you won't.
I just think that the devs are handing the ID's a whole lot of monkey and I would like a new monkey making opportunity.
AgonThalia
Thu May 13, 2004 8:39 am
#2
Interesting thought.
harvesting for ID's so they can make complex hair dye, tattoo ink etc. good idea, but It'll never happen.
harvesting for ID's so they can make complex hair dye, tattoo ink etc. good idea, but It'll never happen.
Calculus_Entropy
Thu May 13, 2004 8:42 am
#3
If you can take the heat you will get, this may be better posted in the ID forum (they will eat you alive) or, if there is an in live thread about the changes....should you choose to do this, may the Rasps have mercy on your soul...
Phenix1050
Thu May 13, 2004 8:47 am
#4
Well I may carefully reword it, because while I do like getting flamed.....
oh well the rasps already have my soul. not much to do now.
TalKurgan
Thu May 13, 2004 10:02 am
#5
Yeah, if you just copy and paste, be sure to bring a doc frind with some fire blankets.
Phenix1050
Thu May 13, 2004 10:06 am
#6
wOOt. it's done.
and they didn't hunt me down and slice off my typing fingers.yet.
check it out (i did some constructive editing and QUICKLY posted an apology to the tne anyway)
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=image_designer&message.id=17818#M17818
Calculus_Entropy
Thu May 13, 2004 10:12 am
#7
Calculus_Entropy
Thu May 13, 2004 10:16 am
#8
I can't seem to get the link to go to the top of the thread...anyway, the reaction seems favorable so far 
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Phenix1050
Thu May 13, 2004 10:20 am
#9
i knoweth not the art of the link...how do you make a link?
also, i'm tired of seeing "message edited by..."
d'oh...i found it!!!
where's my edit button?
d'oh...i found it!!!
somebody remind me not to post.
ever.
blarg.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 05-13-2004 10:35 AM
Enbow
Thu May 13, 2004 10:44 am
#10
I had this thought yesterday when my Fiance created an entertainer character on Bloodfin and ran through the entertainer tutorial. I think its great that ID's are now a semi-vital part of the community. Stat change is vital to many characters.
I also agree that it is 100% ridicious that the profession can be macro'd and done in 6 hours, and it costs 0 resources to do. Those who get ID as their holo profession must jump up and down in glee. I've been considering going to an ID and seeing if I can get my body a little heavier. I originally made him as short, as skinny, and as non-musclear as possible- trying to get that perfect sort of "Starving Ranger" look to it. But at least once a week someone comes up to me and says "Damn you the skinniest Wookiee I've ever seen!"
But now I'm boycotting the ID profession until they become interdependant on some type of resources.
Vorpaks
Thu May 13, 2004 10:55 am
#11
Actually you should get a lot of support for this. Image Designers don't need resources true, but they also don't have anything physical to sell. Nothing that can be sold on vendors or the bazaar. They have been asking for a while for hair dyes, lipstick, fake mustaches and other temporary enhancements that they can sell, and they understand and support the fact that these would require resources.
If you read their forums you will actually find that these were highly requested items for this patch. They got holo emotes instead. Which, okay, is cool but... +confused+
Before you get upset at the IDs for the stat migrate price, consider how much you would pay for a musician buff. I've seen them go for 10k mostly on Radiant, and they do not require resources either. 30k seems a bit much. Next time look around for an ID who will do it cheaper, there are a lot of them out there at the moment. I recommend striking up a friendship with one so that when they go back into hiding you won't have to feel desperate enough to pay tens of thousands. If you are sweet and polite you might find that their prices come down considerably.
Also I should note that IDs did not want to be the only way to migrate stats. They asked the devs if they could be allowed to help people migrate more quickly. Instead, they got a skill they didn't really want and are being harrassed in-game and in-forum by haters. +confused+ Its actually amusing to read some of the ID threads right around patch time. Garva was going sick with the censor button. Three or four posts on every thread had "Trolling. This message was edited by Garva..."
And yes, I lurk on the ID forum hoping for wookiee braids.
Not yet.
I think, WHEN (sigh) our changes come out we should prepare ourselves for a similar onslaught. Things to remember when our profession is patched:
1. We will not get everything we want.
2. We will get several things we did not want and never asked for.
3. Some of the things we wanted and got will not work the way we wanted them to.
4. Many people will get upset that the devs "wasted" time on our profession when theirs is so much more important/broken/etc.
5. The forum will be a wreck for about a week post-patch. Rife with highs and lows of emotions. Many hurtful things will be said. We will have to give our corr. much /luv so he doesnt quit.
Hmmmm... oh dear. /endramble
If you read their forums you will actually find that these were highly requested items for this patch. They got holo emotes instead. Which, okay, is cool but... +confused+
Before you get upset at the IDs for the stat migrate price, consider how much you would pay for a musician buff. I've seen them go for 10k mostly on Radiant, and they do not require resources either. 30k seems a bit much. Next time look around for an ID who will do it cheaper, there are a lot of them out there at the moment. I recommend striking up a friendship with one so that when they go back into hiding you won't have to feel desperate enough to pay tens of thousands. If you are sweet and polite you might find that their prices come down considerably.
Also I should note that IDs did not want to be the only way to migrate stats. They asked the devs if they could be allowed to help people migrate more quickly. Instead, they got a skill they didn't really want and are being harrassed in-game and in-forum by haters. +confused+ Its actually amusing to read some of the ID threads right around patch time. Garva was going sick with the censor button.
Three or four posts on every thread had "Trolling. This message was edited by Garva..." And yes, I lurk on the ID forum hoping for wookiee braids.
Not yet.I think, WHEN (sigh) our changes come out we should prepare ourselves for a similar onslaught. Things to remember when our profession is patched:
1. We will not get everything we want.
2. We will get several things we did not want and never asked for.
3. Some of the things we wanted and got will not work the way we wanted them to.
4. Many people will get upset that the devs "wasted" time on our profession when theirs is so much more important/broken/etc.
5. The forum will be a wreck for about a week post-patch. Rife with highs and lows of emotions. Many hurtful things will be said. We will have to give our corr. much /luv so he doesnt quit.
Hmmmm... oh dear. /endramble
Phenix1050
Thu May 13, 2004 11:02 am
#12
Oh i'm not blaming the ID's i hope it didn't come off like that. I think that they're proffession has been an oddity to the game, not really a position of honor. This patch hopes to correct that, but it's going to make some things worse. the stat migration thing is a joke. I think it's an awful idea to make it exclusive to them. What I am saying is that yes, 10k is a reasonable price for that kind of service. But 30k for 5 minutes of your time is a gouge. Yeah, every proffession does that when they get something new, but that doesn't make it right.
The main thrust of the post was to be constructive, though i admit, that rant did get things off on a bad foot. I was just trying to see if Rangers thought that it would be good idea to have a new proffession to sell to. Other than that, I guess I was just a little miffed.
So sue me, I'm Bothan. We have short tempers.
I swear if you make a comment about being short....
*edit note* i'm just happy i figured out how to do this.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 05-13-2004 11:03 AM
Vorpaks
Thu May 13, 2004 11:24 am
#13
* tries to pat Phenix, but can't reach down that far *
* wonders what is biting her kneecap *
I know you weren't, but I also figured some will read this thread who do not read the ID boards and don't understand the issues. You were VERY constructive compared to some of the uh... mentally challenged individuals who have been flaming their board recently. I liked your idea and I think they all did too.
One of them made a good point that some IDs are gouging on purpose, or refusing to do stats at all because they are protesting the skill. There were LOUD protests on the board when they realized that they would be the sole way to migrate. I think I've only read two people who wanted that. Most of them were horrifed by images of uber combat types coming up and demanding stat changes. Can you imagine being forced to carry on a conversation for 10 minutes with and angry leet speaker? +shudder+
I personally didnt think it would be a problem. I've been playing for 10 months and have ever felt the need to migrate my stats. I thought it would be kind of useless... especially after holo-grinding ends.
I obviously need to be schooled.
Unfortunately I don't think the IDs will be seeing any more additions for another year. Which is sad because I really wanted braids, and I think your idea would add a lot to the profession. Check out the ID suggestion threads for similar ideas. They have also suggested hair adornments made by artisans, jewelry like peircings made by tailors, and pet dyes made by BEs. There is some cool stuff there. I wish they would get all of it... /evil But not until after the Ranger changes!
P.S. Read the 4th line of my sig (grin) You may have to highlight it to see it.
* wonders what is biting her kneecap *
I know you weren't, but I also figured some will read this thread who do not read the ID boards and don't understand the issues. You were VERY constructive compared to some of the uh... mentally challenged individuals who have been flaming their board recently. I liked your idea and I think they all did too.
One of them made a good point that some IDs are gouging on purpose, or refusing to do stats at all because they are protesting the skill. There were LOUD protests on the board when they realized that they would be the sole way to migrate. I think I've only read two people who wanted that. Most of them were horrifed by images of uber combat types coming up and demanding stat changes. Can you imagine being forced to carry on a conversation for 10 minutes with and angry leet speaker? +shudder+
I personally didnt think it would be a problem. I've been playing for 10 months and have ever felt the need to migrate my stats. I thought it would be kind of useless... especially after holo-grinding ends.
I obviously need to be schooled.Unfortunately I don't think the IDs will be seeing any more additions for another year. Which is sad because I really wanted braids, and I think your idea would add a lot to the profession. Check out the ID suggestion threads for similar ideas. They have also suggested hair adornments made by artisans, jewelry like peircings made by tailors, and pet dyes made by BEs. There is some cool stuff there. I wish they would get all of it... /evil But not until after the Ranger changes!
P.S. Read the 4th line of my sig (grin) You may have to highlight it to see it.
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