Ranger Archive

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Owen-Lars wrote:

TH even said every profession should have a role in the GCW ....

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Bastardising Ranger by merging with Squad Leader is an abortion waiting to happen.

It is nothing more than a QFE kludgeplain and simple not a fix.

At first I was open to this ideal, decided to sleep on it prior to posting.

Rangers gain jack from Squad Leader, and now people want to add the ranged support line. Sorrybut thats eliminating the Melee Rangers from having a viable template.

Why do I want to gain skills that benefit a party when I hunt solo most of the time. When I hunt in a group I am throwing traps to control MOBs, applying fast accurate rifle fire and harvesting\Looting.

Now why do I need Squad leader skills for that?

By eliminating scout prerequistes you gimp Ranger out of skill mods gained in Novice Scout.

For what Squad Leader skills?

If you want a QFE kludge then yea vote for a merger.

However if you would rather see the problems for both professions addressed then turn your back on this path.

Take some of those combat mods for speed and accuracy and update them for the Post CU we play in now.

Address the Ranger issues don't dilute ranger with a nice looking on the outside QFE that does nothing to address the overall concerns of the community.

Fix Traps, Make area tracking more useful, Make Camouflage, Better than Conceal in Rifles, Give Camps a purpose again.

Look at the problems Traps why are they broke? Guess who made them less useful and did not address the problem created by the DEV team.

Camps; What happened to make them less useful. See the above statement. Again Fix the problem don't gloss it over.

All these problems were created by a Dev team not addressing the problem and putting off the work needed to fix it.

Remember the Harvesting QFE when the group penalty was removed. That QFE by itself would have ruined the Ranger profession.

How was it semi fixed another QFE by boosting Master Ranger by +50.

Is this how we want to see the Ranger profession fixed QFE and QFE?

Thats what this merge ideal is nothing more than a QFE that destroys the uniqueness of both professions.

well, really, SL's dont get anything they want from us. After reading more posts, and getting my 5 1/2 hours of sleep, to mull it over. I don't want this.

I realize that i was just excited at first because i saw a way for us to get the defensemods we wanted. But that NEEDs to be done in the next publish. SL's would not really benefit at all, only we would.

However, i'll honestly take what i can get at this point. and waiting another year is UNACCEPTABLE!!!

give us our defense mods and that will calm me down for a good long while. I'd like to actually be able to play as a lvl80 toon, not a lvl60.

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WornTraveler wrote:

well I just asked Tiggs ifthis was oficcially being considered to happen, and the answer was a simple no. It is the first time I have ever talked to her and was delighted to reviece an answer One of those "I'll never wash this hand again" moments.

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and hence my skepticism and refusal to get excited/ angry/ annoyed/ hungry over a rumor....

My gut said that the devs probably thought it was an interesting idea... but again, until i see a focus thread or a note on my launchpad, i wont believe it.

I think many of us would agree with Owen's #3 - make 2 individually sustainable profs. Somehow this discussion seemed to have turned from a "What if" discussion to a "Rangers want it now let's make it work"... or at least it is being perceived as that. Many of the ideas to push this idea forwards *I think* are meant in the context of "IF this is going to happen, here's how it COULD work".

Now, as for a Ranger "revamp", I LOVE Owen's thoughts:

Oh, and on the note about "What do SL get from Ranger?"...

I don't think we want to offload our cr*p onto you.

Camps - You're right, camps (as they are now) don't do much for you - but read up on the Modular Camping idea. Now THAT's something I think you could get behind.
Tracking - Quite useful no matter who you are IMO
Camo - Same as tracking
Traps - With some improvements, this skills really could be GREAT
Creature harvesting - would it really upset you to get this?

My point, really, is exactly what many people have already said - 2 x 0 = 0. Putting the two together simply "as-is" is a VERY poor idea. BUT, with the improvements thatboth SLs and Rangers have proposed, I think a well orchestrated SL/Ranger merger could really bring some fun gameplay to the table.

I am totally against it.

They are not "deleting" one professions, just "merging" two brokens once into one broken one.

Honestly, not to sound to pessimistic, but realistic, by the way SOE DEVs currently operate do any of you realistically think they find a way to "merge" these two professions into one technically without screwing up both in the end? (trapping xp bug, pistol xp for a SL )

There are so many examples of bad coding (NPC rebel skins with imperial names and rebel signs) and shortsighted thinking on the DEVs side (cyberarms + rifles outranging turrets e.g.) that they arent capable of doing that.

And that only technically spoken.

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Darth_Sushi wrote:

In short, Ranger and Squad leader are broken. To paraphrase, we are a low development priority and have been jointly ignored for so long because:

1. They really have no idea what to do with us, and
2. There aren't that many of us anyway.
   

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