Ranger Archive
Thread: Harvesting changes to come
Caramina
Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:04 am
#92
I would imagine that it is 20% bonus according to your skill mod, not simply +20 to your skill mod. IF you think, it is quite different to say "20% bonus" than to say "+20 to the harvest skill"...
Calculus_Entropy
Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:34 am
#93
Almagill wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Here is the exact quote of the TC patch notes:
The penalty for harvesting while in a group has been removed and replaced with a 20% harvesting bonus when harvesting while in a group.
20% harvesting bonus means 20% bonus, not +20 to the skill mod. I am not sure how people even misinterpretted this.
BINGO!
I think I worked out how to explain the two different interpretations.
Calc, imagine you work for me and I pay you $20 for the job of work. I decide am well pleased and say am giving you a 20% bonus.
Now, are you expecting $20+$20 (no, that's a 100% bonus) , or what I'm intending giving you, $20+20% of $20.
One of us is expecting $40, the others got $24 to hand over.
(Oddly enough, it's not so much of an issue when we get to $100+. $100+$20=$120. $100+20%=$120.
So,
skill rate of 20+20=new skill rate of 40, but plus 20%=24 (Sad scout, feels ripped off)
skill rate of 100+20= new skill rate of 120, but plus 20%=120 (Happy Ranger either way)
I really don't see how '20% bonus' can be misinterpretted as +20 (with a mod of anything other than +100). If they were giving a +20 mod, they would have to say there is a bonus mod of +20, not a 20% bonus.
Think of it this way, if I said I was going to give you an apple, would you sit there and worry about if I was giving you an apple or an orange? It is pretty straight forward, you are getting an apple 
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Vorpaks
Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:50 am
#95
darmokVtS wrote:
Vorpaks wrote:
Paks is a combat stacker - I've stacked Master Rifleman with Master Creature Handler (two combat profs) and added Ranger 0030. I can definitely harvest faster/more AND survive better in the wilderness now than when I was a Master Ranger/Master Rifleman and definitely more than when I was a Master Ranger/Master Creature Handler.
Yes, probably. And you still will be outharvested by a non-stacker, for example a master swords, master ranger.
Message Edited by darmokVtS on 02-17-2005 11:01 AM
Hmmmm... that sounds like a challenge! I am leveling a swordsman on WH - I may have to send her Ranger now just to see what the difference is (like I needed the excuse
). A Master Swordsman can really kill faster than a Master Rifleman/CH? A MRifles who always has a tank can mow through things pretty quickly. This will be my first Swordsman though. Now I am excited to see how she does.Back to harvesting - I assume the bonus will work the same way the penalty worked. So whatever your harvest decrease was based on, expect the increase to be based on the same thing.
Almagill
Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:25 am
#96
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Almagill wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:Here is the exact quote of the TC patch notes:The penalty for harvesting while in a group has been removed and replaced with a 20% harvesting bonus when harvesting while in a group.20% harvesting bonus means 20% bonus, not +20 to the skill mod. I am not sure how people even misinterpretted this
BINGO!
I think I worked out how to explain the two different interpretations.
Calc, imagine you work for me and I pay you $20 for the job of work. I decide am well pleased and say am giving you a 20% bonus.
Now, are you expecting $20+$20 (no, that's a 100% bonus) , or what I'm intending giving you, $20+20% of $20.
One of us is expecting $40, the others got $24 to hand over.
(Oddly enough, it's not so much of an issue when we get to $100+. $100+$20=$120. $100+20%=$120.
So,
skill rate of 20+20=new skill rate of 40, but plus 20%=24 (Sad scout, feels ripped off)
skill rate of 100+20= new skill rate of 120, but plus 20%=120 (Happy Ranger either way)I really don't see how '20% bonus' can be misinterpretted as +20 (with a mod of anything other than +100). If they were giving a +20 mod, they would have to say there is a bonus mod of +20, not a 20% bonus.Think of it this way, if I said I was going to give you an apple, would you sit there and worry about if I was giving you an apple or an orange? It is pretty straight forward, you are getting an apple
/stare Calc
How come you can actually agree with somebody and make it sound like you're arguing?
It's like I've been saying "We're going to get an apple" and you're going "how could anyone think we were getting an orange?".
I even went off and did MATH !
Can we all just go to TC now and kill stuff. AND LOTS OF IT?
Calculus_Entropy
Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:22 am
#97
Almagill wrote:
Calc, imagine you work for me and I pay you $20 for the job of work. I decide am well pleased and say am giving you a 20% bonus.
Now, are you expecting $20+$20 (no, that's a 100% bonus) , or what I'm intending giving you, $20+20% of $20.
One of us is expecting $40, the others got $24 to hand over.
QFE . The best part is, we are arguing, and we aren't even the ones who are confused, BUT you were arguing that people were confused and we needed a dev to clarifiy. I was simply pointing out that there was no confusing statement anywhere!
Yes, Rangers are insane. 
Owen-Lars
Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:03 pm
#99
Thats a nothing so far Oppma
But... the harvest changes were not added this publish to TC (were held off) so hopefully they are changing them. They may be changing, they may just be refining them internally but atleast there is hope. Changes would take a while to go into effect so hopefully we should hear somethingin the short term future.
AragornSoS
Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:49 pm
#100
and for the record, I stopped being confused after Calc's stunning revelations (errr, and a couple of cups of coffee. Teach ME to get all fired up about something before I'm properly caffeinated in the AM...). So let's just forget my, and others, confusion over what the "20% bonus" means. If the devs clarify or expound on it in the future, great. Not gonna worry about it 'cause what someone said before is true - probably not gonna change my play style in the slightest either way.
In summary:
No penalty if anyone is grouped = Excellent; no penalty for grouping and we can group up and pull higher lvl missions which means more to harvest now
Bonus = OK
Bonus tied to some kind of "have to be within X meters of the harvest/ group" requirement = Better
Bonus tied to there having to be a Master Scout / Master Ranger in the groupto actually convey the bonus to the group= Superb, and makes more sense
Temujin23
Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:22 pm
#101
Precedent, people. The current system isn't -40 to skill mod, it's -40%. Why would they change a decrease in percentage into a bonus to skill? Only thenumbers are changing, not the entity qualified by those numbers. It is and will remain a question of percentage.
It still bites, though.
al-djinn'i
Master Ranger/Master Rifleman
Almagill
Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:18 pm
#102
TC-Gorath
Version 0.113618
Crafting / Harvesting
* There will no longer be a penalty to harvesting while in a group. Instead, there will now be a 20% harvesting bonus if you are in a group and at least one group member is within 64m of you when you harvest. If there is a Ranger present in your group and is within 64m of you, the group harvesting bonus will be 30% for you when you harvest. If there is a Master Ranger present in your group and is within 64m of you, the group harvesting bonus will be 40%.
!!!!!!LAST!!!!
Version 0.113618
Crafting / Harvesting
* There will no longer be a penalty to harvesting while in a group. Instead, there will now be a 20% harvesting bonus if you are in a group and at least one group member is within 64m of you when you harvest. If there is a Ranger present in your group and is within 64m of you, the group harvesting bonus will be 30% for you when you harvest. If there is a Master Ranger present in your group and is within 64m of you, the group harvesting bonus will be 40%.
!!!!!!LAST!!!!
LastEE
Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:51 pm
#103
Almagill wrote:
TC-Gorath
Version 0.113618
!!!!!!LAST!!!!
Not anymore!
And either the devs were at-least listening a little bit or they just got lucky...
Now... the question is to drop novice rifleman and squad leader 0010 to get back the trapping line and master or live with only a 30% bonus
Pida
Ranger 4/4/4/0 (Still a Ranger first)
Master Creature Handler
Squad Leader 0/0/1/0
Novice Rifleman
Marksman 4004