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Thread: What should happen to trapping?

Owen-Lars
Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:44 pm
#66

"My suggestion is fix it"?


Thought hard about that one eh?





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Ronaj
Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:48 pm
#67






Chemo60 wrote:



If the only classes that has this problem is Scout andRanger does that not strike you as odd considering all classes are suppost to be balanced?






Well, now I could be mistaken here but my guess would be the fact that Scout and Ranger are the only professions with Trapping.



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Chemo60
Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:50 pm
#68

Why should I?


Did that with CH since start of SWG. Actually many did and where did it get us.


You give me a list of widely requested 'wish list' items from the CHforum that are actually in the game now?


Not the Devs wish list, the CH player wish lists


Ball in your court!








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Chemo60
Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:53 pm
#69

Ronaj,


Clearly you miss the point of this issue.


That is indicated by your reply.




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Ronaj
Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:58 pm
#70

Not really, I understand the issue perfectly having written a few posts on it myself and even supplied a couple alternative ideas. I just know that people who get whiny and who's best contribution other than pointless complaining about the devs, hey I know everyone of us have had multiple times of wanting to shoot the devs, is "My suggestions is they fix it." doesn't really help the situation any.



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Ronaj
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:15 pm
#71


Chemo, replying to you is a waste of good gaming time so this is the last one, I'm not the only one to basically call you whiny, while it does apply to you it was also directed at anyone that takes the kind of stance you are now, if you've really been here this long then surely you realize that doing the posts like you're doing does not help at all, try being part of the solution. As far as the CH part goes, I will not do that because I don't know anything about the CH profession, whichdoes NOT prove your point one bit, like I said, I don't know anything about the profession and I also don't feel like wasting that much time going through all those thousands of posts.



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Chemo60
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:27 pm
#72

As I expected.


A fair and objective task that would make this 'whiny' backdown.


All you can do is make excuses and go 'low' on me.


Hold on!!!, you are a Master Ranger and you state 'I don't know anything about the CH profession'. Are you for real!!.


Rangers have unique skills that can help a CH that no other profession has,All the Rangers I know actually use those skills for free or as a paid service to CHs. I am amazed.


I have never been a Ranger but I can tell you hell of a lot about their issues. I have never been a Droid Engineer but I can tellwhat bugs them. I have never been an Entertainer but I can identify major issues they have with their class. Same for BH, Jedi and other classes.


Something does not ring true here!!








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Almagill
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:29 pm
#73



Chemo60 wrote:

Almagill,

If you are going to reply to my post, please read properly and digest before replying.




Want to go back and actually read what I wrote before jumping down my throat?

You asked "where did I go wrong". You got your Trapping level and your combat level too far apart by concentrating on grinding ONE part of your characters required skills.

You whined that things aren't being fixed, we should stop making suggestions and 'just get things fixed'. I asked you how YOU would suggest actually fixing things in a balanced way.

And, uhm, yeah, the reason you're only having problems in scout/ranger with traps is because those are the two professions with trapping skills.


y'know, I'm beginning to see where JB gets that attitude from.



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Ronaj
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:36 pm
#74






Chemo60 wrote:

As I expected.


A fair and objective task that would make this 'whiny' backdown.


All you can do is make excuses and go 'low' on me.


Hold on!!!, you are a Master Ranger and you state 'I don't know anything about the CH profession'. Are you for real!!.


Rangers have unique skills that can help a CH that no other profession has,All the Rangers I know actually use those skills for free or as a paid service to CHs. I am amazed.


I have never been a Ranger but I can tell you hell of a lot about their issues. I have never been a Droid Engineer but I can tellwhat bugs them. I have never been an Entertainer but I can identify major issues they have with their class. Same for BH, Jedi and other classes.


Something does not ring true here!!










Get over yourself, I said I didn't feel like wasting that much time, has nothing to do with actually finding anything, I'm sure I could find something that'd make you shut up, I just have better things to do is all than to jump when the current scout/ranger board troll says to. Good for you on being able to know what the issues are with the different professions, I happen to play the game more than read the boards and am usually a solitary hunter only doing pve, I don't pvp at all therefore I don't really know the issues people have with it, I don't read my regular server board as that seems to focus on the pvp aspect and usually has a lot of "soandso got owned" threads with the person who got beaten crying exploit against the victor so I stay in the trade boards more, which is the pve side. It's entirely possible to master professions such as scout/ranger and not really know anything about some of the other professions that are based off scout.



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Chemo60
Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:45 pm
#75

Almagill,


You still avoid the issue.


Why does it have to be so complicated or restrictive or whatever you want to call it just with these two professions and none, I mean none of the other professions?


What makes Scout/Ranger special that you have to plan things more carefully then any of the other professions?


Being the resident expert it seems, why did the developers do it this way?


No guesses, you clearly are on the inside, so just the hard facts why these two classes are get special treatment.


Hey, just answer those questions, please. I am dying to understand your logic.


Unless there is a problem with it!!! Hey that must be it!!!


It has already been indicated by theCorrespondent that the current trapping issue was not intended to work this way. That you should not need to downgrade your CL level to get decent xp, to limit your CL lvl or toraise each profession tree equally to keep them in sync.


As far as fixing, when I know the Developers are even, I mean even going to bother to attempt to fix it then I will add my voice. Between now and then a lot changes and if the other side (developers) have not even shown any interest in what we think, I think this 'wish list' is jumping the gun.


Even the Correspondent indicates that he/she is getting no feedback or info from the developers!!


So how do we know they will even entertain our ideas if they are not even bothered to communicate through the Correspondent
to us on it!!






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Phenix1050
Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:01 pm
#76







Chemo60 wrote:

Rangers have unique skills that can help a CH that no other profession has,All the Rangers I know actually use those skills for free or as a paid service to CHs. I am amazed.





Rangers also have a unique ability in trapping. This helps every single combat profession. Therefore, by your own logic, Ranger should know everything about every combat profession. Not all Rangers help CHs. Not all have ever played as a CH. Some don't even have pets. Our skillset is our own, and while it might help the CH profession, that in no way entails any knowledge of the isssues or problems with being a CH.


I don't know everything about the Carbineer profession, even though my skills help a Carbineer do their job against creatures. So why would I have any greater knowledge of CH than any other person who's never played CH? This is an illogical argument, and rather a poor attempt to continue the off-topic nature of your discussion. This thread is not about CH, or any other problem with Ranger, but rather a trhead about trapping. Stay on topic, please.


Secondly, your original hypothetical situation shows your lack of understanding. The problem with the MBE hybrid (level 20) is that he's grouping and therefore a level 80. You're not being penalized for being a level 20, but for grouping. The same way that a level 20 person is penalized for grouping and taking on a lower level creature. Recomendation for that poorly constructed hypothetical: take some dweezel (trapping food) and hunt level 15-20 creautures. You'll get decent XP (especially now, during double XP time) and your trapping level will grow rapidly enough that you can stop taking dweezel.


I don't agree with JB all in all, this situation needs to be worked on. But if you're complaining about trapping XP being so tough while you're grouped...well then hunt ungrouped. Or hunt with lower level groups. The problem in this case isn't the trapping problem, but the mistakes made by the hypothetical BE. In this case, your solution "fix it now" isn't even connected to a cogent argument. It's a misunderstanding of the problem, and a complaining due to that lack of understanding.


and please, no more debates about how you're being misunderstood or picked on or anything like that. If you have nothing more to add to the discussion of traps and potential solutions that have more substance that "fix it now", please don't even bother replying to this post. You'll accomplish nothing more than to add another off-topic post and will likely earn the disapproval of even more Rangers. Let it go, unless you have some actual insight into how to change this for the betterment of the game and the profession.



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This is horrible! I return to find my new title on the forum is "Jedi". What's up with that? If they wanted to confer that I'm rare and learned, they'd make my title RANGER. and then make it camo colored.
Chemo60
Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:45 pm
#77


Phenix,


Wrong,


As a TKA, Rifeman, Pistoleer, Carbineer, Architect etc. I have never even considered using a Scout/Ranger trapping skills to help me.Scout/Ranger trapping has beem my last need and to be honest never see any grps crying out for it. Therefore on that side the contact is minimal between such classes and a trapper. But a goodRanger has unique active skills that a CH cam only get from a Ranger. More change of contact between classes if the Ranger is bothered.


Now thatreminds me of some Rangers that put their nose up at helping CHs even for a fee so that maybe explains your lack of knowledge. Not meant as a insult, its true, you 'tell' a Ranger, offer to pay for his services and he turns around and tells you not interested!!. While others love the idea of working with a CH to really push their Ranger skills. You should try it. As a CH I know I pay well for the service as it is a real bonus for us.


Now talk about Camo if you need to. That everyome can directly benefit from in the wild.


Oh, I pointed out the reason why I was a CL20 was the chance to get good combat xp grp hunting. This got me to CL20 before even getting trapping 1.


The issue with trapping is solo, that is by myself not in a grp.


Please get your facts right.


Oh!! and esp. for you 'fix it now'


Message Edited by Chemo60 on 06-28-2005 10:57 PM



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Plus a few other professions on other servers.

SWG had such a bright future until SOE got their hands on it!!
Almagill
Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:46 pm
#78

Chemo60 wrote:
*edit*

actually, its not worth responding to.

Message Edited by Almagill on 06-29-2005 06:49 AM



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