Ranger Archive
Thread: Poll: what would you do if the bonus system comes and tries to enforce grouping?
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frightwig
Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:07 am
#66
LastEE wrote:
If a+b=2c when grouped and a+b=c when solo, the solo sure looks penalized to me.
a+b=c is what you are currently able to harvest.
a+b=c is what you will still be able to harvest after the change.
I mentioned this before, but not receiving a bonus doesn't equal a penalty. Otherwise, the argument could be made that we're penalized for not having a droid while harvesting. Or we're penalized for not buying/eating veghash. Or we're penalized for not having the right Bio modded clothes or SEAs/AAs. This group harvesting bonus is just another example of a bonus, but it shouldn't be called a penalty by those who don't take advantage of it.
And I don't appreciate reading "the majority clearly want the bonus to group" when I clearly don't see that being the majority's opinion
Well, in a way they do. When it comes to the overall community, they definitely do.
When it comes to just the ranger/scout community... Well, I think the statement you put in quotes could be misunderstood. Many of us do want a bonus to group (inlcuding me), but few, if any would actually like to see the change as it currently stands.
As for grouping bonuses...
This issue has come up tons of times in ideas for ranger revamps or proposals. It's always been suggested that the penalty (-40% to grouping is a penalty) should be removed, and the idea has long been tossed about on giving group bonuses to grouping with master scouts or master rangers.
The recent thread from JBmat on the scout forum illustrates that. Many were in favor of a bonus. Now we're receiving a bonus. It's not the way we wanted it, but that's why we make suggestions so we can hope to change it for the better. Topics or posts in favor of group bonuses to harvesting have always come up on these forums. However, before this change, I can't recall ever seeing a post in favor of removing our -40%, but intent on making sure we're never given a bonus to grouping.
Jasse
Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:53 am
#67
1 1/2 - group when I have nice people to group with, solo when I haven't or feel like it. If I have fun in a group it outweighs the extra time it takes to fill a contract even under todays harvest/group mechanics (even though they annoy me), so the bonuses/no-penalty are just a plus to me. If I solo it'll just be like always - if I group for the fun and company i'll be rewarded - cool, but I wont group for the bonuses alone, why do it if I have to cope with a***les, and who cares if someone else gets a little more meat than me as long as I get what I need.
Phenix1050
Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:41 am
#68
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
Right now, there is a PENALTY to harvesting when grouped. A penalty is something that negatively affects what you are normally capable of. Thus, right now, there IS a penalty. A bonus is being imposed for grouping now. A bonus is something that positively affects what you are normally capable of.There is a vast difference.
QFFE (no, this isn't a typo).
what the duece are you talking about?
Quoted for foreign emphasis?
Queasy from following economics?
Quality from freaking egghead?
Obata
Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:38 am
#69
Phenix1050 wrote:
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
Right now, there is a PENALTY to harvesting when grouped. A penalty is something that negatively affects what you are normally capable of. Thus, right now, there IS a penalty. A bonus is being imposed for grouping now. A bonus is something that positively affects what you are normally capable of.There is a vast difference.
QFFE (no, this isn't a typo
what the duece are you talking about?
Quoted for foreign emphasis?
Queasy from following economics?
Quality from freaking egghead?
LOL
I think the polite version would be 'Quoted For Further Emphasis'
Phenix1050
Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:45 pm
#70
Right now, there is a PENALTY to harvesting when grouped. A penalty is something that negatively affects what you are normally capable of. Thus, right now, there IS a penalty. A bonus is being imposed for grouping now. A bonus is something that positively affects what you are normally capable of.There is a vast difference. What you are missing is that this isn't a penaly. This is a shift in power. There is a relative penalty, but that's not the same thing. Right now, a Ranger has a relative penalty to a person with Scout 0040, since they kill animals faster and can harvest more per hour. But nobody would say that a Master Ranger has a harvesting penalty.
Giving no bonus to anyone keeps the relative disparity in power between Master Rangers and Scout 0040 stackers. There's a relativepenalty of about 40%for a Master Ranger compared to a Scout stacker, since my tests showed a stacker can kill about twice as many creatures. I'll quickly show you. Based on Kimi's data, the 0040 scout will harvest 72% of what a Ranger harvests. Since they kill twice as many creatures, they harvest 142% of what a Ranger does. So there's a relative penalty of being a Master Ranger of 42%. If the change goes through, the master Ranger would have a maximum of 25% relative penalty. (Solo Ranger vs. Grouped Ranger 0040).
This data is based on the following data, gathered by Kimi: (I've shortened it to the relvant data)
Mereks' Death Head--units of meat harvested
Solo Ranger= 238
Solo 0040 Scout = 172
Grouped 0040 Ranger = 315
If we can fix the relative power of Ranger, I say do it. But let's not confuse a REAL penalty with a RELATIVE one, okay?
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