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Thread: So, let me get this straight.....
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Kiryoku
Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:26 pm
#53
can't help but say i'm pretty furious about all this too...
the CU isn't the first time they've taken our ideas and applied them to another profession... this just happens to be the worst it's ever been...
i just wanted to take a second to point out that not only havemost of our proposed abilitiesbeen dished out among the other skill trees... but the very source of our "we're combat too!" debate (ourtraps), are now effectively available to everyone...
when we look at traps, we break them into "useful" and "why?" categories... the useful ones are ones that apply states (except of course, dizzy.. that's a "wth?") or affect movement...
as for the state application, all combat professions have the ability to apply some of these... now, the ones that really mattered,the only real scout-only contribution to combat - the p-dart and adhesive mesh -used to temporarly slow or stop an attacking creature...
in the CU, you can refer to these two effects as "snaring" and "rooting"... and these abilities are given to: riflemen, pistoleers, smugglers, combat medics, carbineers, and fencers...
so yeh... nothing new for us, and they reduce our "need" even more... we can't hit a player witha p-dart, but that's ok, i can /kneecap him as a rifleman...
it is unbelievable that they can do this... ok, we're not a straight-up combat profession... are we combat support?... i don't guess so, since even they get taken into consideration here (although i would hardly call the changes to squad leader fair)...
ok... different topic, but i'm ranting... stealth...we knew how powerful this ability would be, so we stuck it way up the ranger tree and slapped it with tons of restrictions... now riflemen get it as a tier 1 ability?... tier 2 and they can shoot from it?... with the new "easy-dabble" system, any ranged weapon can take advantage of it... all you need is 60 skill points (unless you already have ranged support)... less than we spend mastering scout...
rangers spend up to 140 skill points... what do we have to show for it?... not as much as doctors did before they lowered the cost... i don't want ranger to be cheaper... i want ranger to be worth it... if combat medics only spend 121 points, imaginewhat we SHOULD be...
why am i pissed?... i'm tired of keeping a stiff upper lip... i've been optimistic this whole time... holding out... knowing that although we wouldn't get a revamp for some time, we'd at least be considered in the CU... why?... cause it freakin' makes sense!... we ARE a combat related profession... and we ARE a complete waste of skill points, even now... if anybody could have benefitted from this, it was rangers...
i even played on TC5 for a few days, keeping my optimism... not sure how it worked... but i'm done... rangers, we're left out again... not only that, they only care aboutour combat abilitiesenough to give them to everyone else...
to make matters worse... i saw a rasp today with 65k health...
/sigh... it always hurts more when you're hopeful... i should learn to cut that out...
Kiryoku
Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:33 pm
#54
ugh... i'm sorry guys... i'm leaving it, but only cause it feels wrong to destroy it...
i still feel like rangers are getting hosed in a horrible, horrible way... it baffles me how the devs can leave us out of this...
i just wanted to say... i'm happy with the CU in all the ways it doesn't affect ranger... i think it's a great thing... i hate the way combat and all the relatedness worksnow, and i'm looking forward to all the changes going live... it should make the game a lot of fun again...
i'm just sorely disappointed with the lack of attention the devs have payed to the ranger profession... i think it's idiocy to let such potential go to waste and not even acknowledge the fact that it is combat related, and that it is now the largest waste of skill points in the game...
Owen-Lars
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:04 pm
#55
Yeah i know how you feel Jol and thats exactly thesort of thingive been voicing for a while now. Me and JB have voiced as much as we can but at the end of the day its up to the devs to make the decision.
We both know the situation ranger is andwill be in and ive communicated this to the devs in a variety ofways over and over. Its harsh but all we can do iswait for something to happen nowand just keep pressing and thats what imdoing.We are not developers and its their call unfortunatly so all we can do is make our case and wait for the devs to react. Im happy with the amount ofinfo/opinions me, jb calc and the alpha teamhave passed on to the devs this last couple of monthsand it certainly hasnt slowed down one bit, even if it hasnt achieved the results we all would like. Like i said, the ball is their court, we just make the case to get the ball ball.
Vorpaks
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:18 pm
#56
Believe me Jolandir we have tried every version of all those arguments on the CU forum for months. From the extremely logical to the extremely rude. I am sure JB, Owen, Calc and Delta were just as vocal on the Corr forums. The only thing we can really do is keep saying it and saying it in the best way possible until we get a reply - and hope we have not rushed them into talking without first listening and thinking.
The delete word is going a bit far. I don't think it is likely but lets not tempt fate by suggesting it to them shall we? I'd hate for you to be right on that subject. Really really hate it. My mind set is and will continue to be that Ranger is an awesome profession with amazing potential. They have the opportunity to make something really unique and great here, if only they think about it and do it. I hope we can get them to see it that way.
The delete word is going a bit far. I don't think it is likely but lets not tempt fate by suggesting it to them shall we? I'd hate for you to be right on that subject. Really really hate it. My mind set is and will continue to be that Ranger is an awesome profession with amazing potential. They have the opportunity to make something really unique and great here, if only they think about it and do it. I hope we can get them to see it that way.
Owen-Lars
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:52 pm
#57
Actually all the profession corrs are behind rangers 100%. I think theres only realy Vert (the ch corr) who thinks CH should come first.
SL and Smug are already in developement so those can be forgotten about. I know Irott is a massive backer of me in the corr boards which i apreciate immensly, besides hes a ranger too heh, he loves this profession as much as we all do.
DND_Cas
Tue Apr 05, 2005 3:33 pm
#58
Owen-Lars wrote:
Actually all the profession corrs are behind rangers 100%. I think theres only realy Vert (the ch corr) who thinks CH should come first.
SL and Smug are already in developement so those can be forgotten about. I know Irott is a massive backer of me in the corr boards which i apreciate immensly, besides hes a ranger too heh, he loves this profession as much as we all do.
Well thats good news
Maybe its only 5 copies of the yellow pages 
Jolandir
Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:02 am
#59
Owen-Lars wrote:
Oculus Wrote:
"Why are Doctors considered to be more "combat orientated" than Rangers?"
Owen-Lars, I don't want to see doctors ignored, and they certainly have not been doctors for a while now, they have been buffers, so any change here is great. But PLEASE you and JBMat tell them we need answers. Ask them how they can consider this a balance at all unless they are seriously getting rid of Rangers? Why were we constantly told that they couldn't or wouldn't do these things and now they give them to other professions, completely ignore us Rangers, well and scouts also, and can sit there with honesty and say they are trying to make everyone in this game useful, unigue and balance. There just isn't any way that they can honestly say this.
Ranger have been the most polite and patient group, and inspite of the same OOOOLLLLLDDDD answer of "wait and see", for 18 months in some cases, we absolutely don't ever "SEE". Why are we being ignored and told to wait until after Smugglers and Squad Leaders, which is long after the CU. By the time they finally are forced to admitt that they don't have anything else they can put before us (well maybe that will never happen with expansions and the like) we will be so far behind everyone else that in truth there will be only a very few of us left.
This just isn't right. We should be totally considered in the CU, because it will so massively affect us in every area of fighting, even creatures.So how can we wait? If no one else except Smugglers and Squal Leaders were being affecting then we might all once again be very polite and gracious and wait. I don't have any problem with any and all professions getting upgrades and balancing. But what absolutely ticks us off is that they are basically saying Scout/Ranger isn't worth their time, until they absolutely have no other options and have absolutely no other excuses, and who knows they might just LOL and say well wait and see we are thinking about it some time.
I love us Rangers, and I totally respect all of our leaders such as you two. But this change is just too unbalancing for all of us, to wait that long. Rangers should be one of the major forces on the Wookiee planet, because they have the closest afininity with Wookiees, yet we will not be able to function well there at all if the creatures there are moderately tough and up, which it certainly sounds like so far.
Please, Please, Please! Let them know it is now time for "seeing is believing"! We are just going to be too far behind every other profession.
Thanks for listening to my outburst!
Jolandir
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