Ranger Archive
Thread: Wise words...
BadMisterFrosty wrote:
Thunderheart,
introduce a dev stamp icon which will be shown on the list of threads page. Everytime a developer (or you community relation people) has read a thread, he / she decide whether or not place a "read it" stamp on it. The next is up to you.
Thunderheart wrote:I agree
We do read the boards and try to interact as much as possible, but I'm looking for the best avenue for positive interaction. For that I need the community's help.
Aha! See! TH just said he would take the community's help on everything, quick, submit your ideas since he just promised to take them! 
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Yes, this was a joke.
I "Muuuuuuuuu" no longer
DaveG wrote:
If you want positive interaction with the community, then the community needs to be taken on as "part of the team", and not just cash cows.
Message Edited by DaveG on 06-03-2005 03:52 PM
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Serraphin, you memory amazes me! I can't remember what I wore to work today, and you can pull that out of the vault! Carry on with that arguement...it is indeed valid.
Vorpaks wrote:
Dev feedback, positive or negative, is always a double-edged sword. Every single thing they say is likely to be pulled out months and months later and pointed to as a promise, even though we all know that schedules, priorities, and knowledge shift constantly.
/cringe For fear of my life, I will still say this...
/points at a certain thread that is almost 2 years old and was made by someone no longer employed by SOE/LA (or at least isn't involved in the game anymore) yet still gets drug up.
Gee so maybe the 2 year old thread being referred to here is still valid as well..................
I'd also respectfully submit that while schedules and priorities do change (obviously given that Ranger has been set back for two years and slowly dismantled) that there would come a time when something that was stated as "already in the works" or "already on the table" would come to fruition.
I'm not sure why I feel the need to defend my bringing Holocrons post back up to anyone. I was here, playing a Ranger, when it was written. I believe I've earned the right. The fact is, is that specific details about things already supposedly near completion for us, never came to be. If they were "almost ready", then what happened? That, is the reason I brought it up. To use Paks' example, if they could give a root to anyone, and stealth to pretty much everyone, then why could they not have addressed our ideas and concerns.
If you feel that bringing this up was a negative action then I wish certain people would have outright stated it. I believe Owen said good job, and someone else in that thread stated that copying it and putting it in a new thread was the "mature" way to do it, rather than trolling or name calling or whatever. Hey but what do I know.........
Nice idea, but I have trouble believing that they wouldnt just stamp things without looking, at least a cut and pasted post means they were actually there. Maybe im just a cynic! And yes I can hear you all going "Maybe?!?!"
BadMisterFrosty wrote:
Thunderheart,
introduce a dev stamp icon which will be shown on the list of threads page. Everytime a developer (or you community relation people) has read a thread, he / she decide whether or not place a "read it" stamp on it. The next is up to you. If you only place the stamp on very few threads, the stamp will be something more special (quite as if you placed your name in it). If you place it quite regular on many threads (or most) you have read, just excluding those you totally don't want to mark, it will be a pretty regular appearance. After all it might be averyrough filter which does not revealanything but you have noticed it, it doesn't make promises if used fairly often and it might help to influence the sort of threads people starting and discussing.
Yeah but think how long ago Holocron said that. If nothing else we should be the premier resource gatherers, they've had more than long enough to help the such a profession.
TH vaguely saying he wants help from the community but not saying in what form, or how such help would beused, and Garva giving hypocritical rhetoric about how to conduct ones self on the forums, does not help anybody. If this is all these individuals have to say, then I for one will be glad to see the back of them.
DaveG wrote:
Yeah but think how long ago Holocron said that. If nothing else we should be the premier resource gatherers, they've had more than long enough to help the such a profession.
TH vaguely saying he wants help from the community but not saying in what form, or how such help would beused, and Garva giving hypocritical rhetoric about how to conduct ones self on the forums, does not help anybody. If this is all these individuals have to say, then I for one will be glad to see the back of them.
We don't design the game...SOE do. The boards are here as a PR & customer retention nothing more - there are exceptions but they are few and far between.
DND_Cas wrote:
We don't design the game...SOE do. The boards are here as apropoganda & customerbase destruction nothing more - there are exceptions but they are few and far between.
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DND_Cas wrote:
DaveG wrote:
Yeah but think how long ago Holocron said that. If nothing else we should be the premier resource gatherers, they've had more than long enough to help the such a profession.
TH vaguely saying he wants help from the community but not saying in what form, or how such help would beused, and Garva giving hypocritical rhetoric about how to conduct ones self on the forums, does not help anybody. If this is all these individuals have to say, then I for one will be glad to see the back of them.
We don't design the game...SOE do. The boards are here as a PR & customer retention nothing more - there are exceptions but they are few and far between.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. However, even take what you said, if the forums are here for PR and customer retention, then it is still SOE breaking their word to the ranger players. As part of their PR and "customer retention" they said they'd do X, Y, Z, but they didn't deliver.
Message Edited by DaveG on 06-05-2005 03:19 PM
Rancorrider4 wrote:
DND-Cas! Where have you been hiding?
Unfortunately I cannot say lest the other winterninja's throw me out of thier ninja society 
Dave,
The point is they say as much as they need to to get it done. No more no less. They use us to police ourselves and when we can't they step in. Then they use a combination of guilt tricks and community trust to overcome those problems. They even try to foster links by dropping the occasional joke in a thread here and there.
Re: the customer retention point - boards are great they build communities and that makes it harder for players to leave as they are not just leaving the game.Even the pre-beta boards were all about sucking us into the game and making enough of us feel invested so that it was harder to leave. This particular forum is the most perfect example of this (Funny thing is I even know how the "game" works and I'm still here - dunno what that says about me )
Look that doesn't mean they are nasty people overall - what it does mean is that they arn't here to listen to what we want. Occasionally we might get our point across successfully enough to convince them or, if your very cynical, you could believe they left bits out to show us later that they do listen to us but had every intention of putting them in from the begginning. Either way our ideas are not the main point of these boards.
(and to anyone that thinks I'm lying your very welcome to look up the 2002 article by messers koster and vogel on the subject).
Now obviously this looks like a very negative post...and I guess it is to a certain extent. Knowing your limitations is a good thing. Personally I think we should carry on as we have as I find it very enlightening and entertaining but also there's always that slim chance something might happen I guess. Don't get owt if you don't try I spose.