Ranger Archive
Thread: Outdoorsman 2.1 Proposal
Un4tun8
Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:14 pm
#40
Owen-Lars wrote:But I thought making the FB an actual "building" of sorts might be a way around this.Yeah i like the sound of that, or perhaps part of the FB was a building and only in there can you receive the benefits of agro rellent etc.Ive always wanted to veture unto those concrete domes we have in our HTFB and explore a little underground bunker type area
If that happens, camps should be public structures. Also I'm not sure if wild creatures can enter even public structures, and if they cannot, that would be exploited.
Rhyeal
Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:57 pm
#41
Un4tun8 wrote:
Owen-Lars wrote:
But I thought making the FB an actual "building" of sorts might be a way around this.
Yeah i like the sound of that, or perhaps part of the FB was a building and only in there can you receive the benefits of agro rellent etc.
Ive always wanted to veture unto those concrete domes we have in our HTFB and explore a little underground bunker type area
If that happens, camps should be public structures. Also I'm not sure if wild creatures can enter even public structures, and if they cannot, that would be exploited.
they can enter public structures. this i learned the hard way (lets just say, noob vs 2 domestic tusk cats)
Owen-Lars
Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:29 am
#42
Yeah hehe, i learnt that back in my noob days on corellia 
Would be cool though if we could use those domes or perhaps have a little underground bunker hidden by camo
PetaByte32
Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:01 am
#43
I love most of this stuff but I have two real problems. Please ignore this if its been said already.
1) The defensive modules like turrets. I am sorry but when I read this I immediately thought of the exploits it would cause. While it sounds neat I can see many players finding ways to exploit this.
2) The ranger bow. I dont know why so many people see the word ranger and immediately go into high fantasy mode and decide they want a bow. With such technology available (hyperdrives, rez kits, etc) I can see rangers picking a better weapon for the job. Also it loses immersion for me. Try hunting a elephant with a bow. Just make sure you have alot of ziplock bags near for your guide to mail you home in afterwords. Now imagine hunting a rancor with a bow. You would need the sleekest most high tech bow with rocket assisted explosive tipped arrows just to make that bad boy twitch.
A true hunter would not use a bow for the big boys. He would use the most efficent "mob-stopper" he could get.
Anyway just my opinion. I like the rest though. Very good ideas there.
Tyranus
Owen-Lars
Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:08 am
#44
"ahhhh young ones....
go re-read the proposal. There is a module that only Master Rangers can make that camo's an entire camp.
No need to go inside if we get this done.
However, I still think for Owen's storm-shelter idea, we should be able to go inside."
hehe yeah i know, just wondering how cool camps would look with interior features etc like bunkers and buildings.
It would be great to go indoors out of the rain somtimes seeing as though our leaky roof will never get fixed
Owen-Lars
Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:17 am
#45
With such technology available (hyperdrives, rez kits, etc)
I read whilst playing KotoR that Hyperdrives were created by a race long before the republic and no-one knows who they are. As for bows and arrows being too basic, even in todays hunting there are some extremely powerfull bows crammed with high tech features that are often much more effective as hunting tools than guns.
It wouldnt be too hard to think up an energy propelled projectile from a special accelerator bow, lots of possibilities and not just your average long bow or cross bow. It wouldnt be stone age technology and as phen said previously the arrow is a very effective tool at bringing down beasts compared to bullets due to keeping the wound open, armour piercing values and the versitility of the head which can be fill with many different substances or mechanisms such as:
Poison Arrows
Disease Arrows
Flaming Arrows
Bleeders (grooved edges that rip open blood vessles on impact)
Detonation Charges (the arrow embeds a mini warhead into the beast and then detonates at the desired depth for an internal explosion)
Tranquiliser Heads (sedate the animal decreasing attack speed and defenses etc)
There is so much room for advanced technology in bow and arrow designs and people should realise this instead of looking to our past into stone age times for bow and arrow perceptions. If we looked at weapons this way we would all be expecting muskets and revolvers to be in star wars rather than our energy based weapons we have.
PetaByte32
Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:53 am
#46
Good point Owen. But a bow just doesnt get it for me. I guess reading books by big game hunters so much kinda ruined it for me. If you ever get a chance read "Death in the Long Grass" by Peter Capstick. Actually any books by Capstick will do. Not just for research on rangers though. Capstick is an awesome writer and will suck you in easy.
I cant see a hunter taking a bow to hunt a lion (SWG terms a gurreck). First you cant keep the bow pulled and ready all the time. It would have to be at a rest position. The moment he starts charging you would have to raise it, pull back the string, and aim. By then he has already dropped you and his pride are on the way in, making up recipes for "Stupid Hunter TarTar" as they approach.
Now the idea of your bow, the energy proppelled idea is nice, but you might as well just call it a modified blaster that looks similiar to a bow. And the ideas of different arrowheads I really like but the more new code that is added is more new bugs we might have to deal with.
Here is my point. Bows and archery in general, in the modern real world, has advanced greatly. Even to the point I am sure there is a bow that could drop a tiger or a lion. But I am willing to bet if you took that bow back in time and offered it up to the real hunters, I am willing to bet they would say "Thanks but I want to live through my next encounter with a lion."
Anyway this is just one man's opion and if everyone else wants one then I can accept that.
Tyranus
Fred_Skinner
Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:59 am
#47
Am I going to have to pull out those websites with the hi-tech uber bows and laser sights and stuff?
Message Edited by Fred_Skinner on 09-21-2004 02:00 PM
PetaByte32
Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:53 pm
#48
Phenix1050 wrote:
no, I think all we have to say is: there are already people hunting animals with clubs (Gaffi Sticks(sp?)). I really think any argument which tries to say everyone has to use super-ultimate-StarWars-y technology forgets that pointy sticks have been used for a couple of millenia.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 09-11-2004 03:43 PM
Hehe I like that. But there is an old joke in Africa about the people that used pointy sticks against things like elephants and rhinos.
"What is the stuff between an elephants toes?" (edited the actual joke. could be considered racist in its full form)
"Slow natives"
But you make a good point. If some whacko with a hammer wants to try to slap a rancor upside the head then why cant someone use a bow. I still dont like the bow but it is easier to accept now. Thx Phenix.
Tyranus
Phenix1050
Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:42 am
#49
no, I think all we have to say is: there are already people hunting animals with clubs (Gaffi Sticks(sp?)). I really think any argument which tries to say everyone has to use super-ultimate-StarWars-y technology forgets that pointy sticks have been used for a couple of millenia.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 09-11-2004 03:43 PM
darmokVtS
Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:48 pm
#50
Phenix1050 wrote:Terrain Negotiation
The Outdoorsman is a survivalist at heart and has spent years training his body to move with unprecedented speed through the world. As such the Ranger Terrain Negotiation should be more effective (to ALL Rangers) than the scout TN.
- Possible implementation:
- Increased basic movement speed rather than (or in addition to) increased crawl speed, making rangers run and swim faster than other professions
I agree with most of the proposal (minus the ranger specific weapons but I wouldn't mind if they get added), however this one is a bad idea.
Those who have PvP'ed much directly after the Jedi revamp until the recent force run nerf probably can tell you about the imbalances in PvP coming with a single profession able to run faster than all others without having to face heavy penalties while doing so (Jedi got a heavy hit on the damage they deal while forcerunning which helped the really bad fr3 marathonrunning that nearly all FRS-Jedi did).
Melee Rangers would be completly unkiteable for non-rangers with ranged professions, ranged Rangers could kite every non-Ranger (imagine fighting vs. a ranger/rifleman who probably is at max range already while fighting and can just run out of your range easily to recover if it gets too rough for him and charge back into combat when it got better etc ...).
Nemo0
Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:52 pm
#51
darmokVtS wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
Terrain Negotiation
The Outdoorsman is a survivalist at heart and has spent years training his body to move with unprecedented speed through the world. As such the Ranger Terrain Negotiation should be more effective (to ALL Rangers) than the scout TN.
- Possible implementation:
- Increased basic movement speed rather than (or in addition to) increased crawl speed, making rangers run and swim faster than other professions
I agree with most of the proposal (minus the ranger specific weapons but I wouldn't mind if they get added), however this one is a bad idea.Those who have PvP'ed much directly after the Jedi revamp until the recent force run nerf probably can tell you about the imbalances in PvP coming with a single profession able to run faster than all others without having to face heavy penalties while doing so (Jedi got a heavy hit on the damage they deal while forcerunning which helped the really bad fr3 marathonrunning that nearly all FRS-Jedi did).Melee Rangers would be completly unkiteable for non-rangers with ranged professions, ranged Rangers could kite every non-Ranger (imagine fighting vs. a ranger/rifleman who probably is at max range already while fighting and can just run out of your range easily to recover if it gets too rough for him and charge back into combat when it got better etc ...).
But you could add the "You slow down to prepare for combat" like mounts have. And, as long as someone is attacking you, you can't peace to break that.
WildBil2Me
Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:41 pm
#52
I wanted to make some suggestions along with foraging. Something that might create a bit more interdependancy in skills.
It would beextremely interesting to see foraged items have a usefullness in traps. Maybe acting as a bonus in lure or snare traps a Ranger could add certain foraged materials in the hope of raising the traps effectiveness. Different planets would have different trap modifiers that could be looted around more difficult POIs.
Imagine Bantha Poodoo being used to increase the effects of a trap on a given planet?