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Thread: State of the Profession (Feb 29)

Nemo0
Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:51 pm
#40






Bihlbo wrote:


NRaas, maybe you should abbreviate the SotP in a form of a teaser so it's easier for people to read at a glance what the gist of it all is. Something like this maybe:



  • /rescue doesn't work. When it succeeds, the effect is so paltry that it isn't worth it.

  • /areatrack is a joke for anything but player hunting

  • Master Rangers shouldharvest more than 30% more than a master scout

  • Melee combatants have 5 terrain negotiation skill out of the whole profession thatthey can make use of

  • Limiting the creature to-hit bonus to normal ranged attacks isn't good enough

  • The HTFB is the only camp that's worth making because it has crafting stations and a bonus to healing equal to a medical droid. And those being the only two reasons to make the HTFB, there's almost never a reason to make a camp.

  • Versus difficulty 22 creatures at the master Ranger level,traps fail about 60% of the time. Against creatures that any character with a master level in a combat profession can solo unbuffed, traps are worthless.

  • Camoflauge barely offers any bonus greater than what mask scent gives you, so mainly it's only good for hiding non-scout friends.

Or you could even shorten it to this:


Currently the only reasons to be a master Ranger are:



  • For flavor, because you like the idea of being a Ranger

  • 30% bonus to creature harvesting

  • For Riflemen, the terrain negotiation is helpful







NRaas is gone now. Calc is the new correspondent.


Lythender Nirou
Master Ranger/Master Rifleman
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Lythender Nirou
Crazy Bothan


Bihlbo
Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:25 am
#41






NRaas is gone now. Calc is the new correspondent.





Yeah, I saw that after I posted. But it doesn't really matter, you know what I meant, right?




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Calculus_Entropy
Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:45 am
#42

I will have to go with the popular vote on this one. The Sotp is Nraas' baby. While he is no longer with us, the SotP is a kind of legacy... What do you think guys? Should we whittle the SotP down a bit or should we start a new one or should we stick with what we have. I am partial to a new SotP that refrences/qoutes the old one.



Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.
Rancorrider4
Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:19 am
#43

"I will have to go with the popular vote on this one. The Sotp is Nraas' baby. While he is no longer with us, the SotP is a kind of legacy... What do you think guys? Should we whittle the SotP down a bit or should we start a new one or should we stick with what we have. I am partial to a new SotP that refrences/qoutes the old one."






I really like this as it is. Yes N'Raas typed it out but it was all of our creation. We all added and subtracted from it. I would vote for keeping it as is, and making changes as need necessitates.


Most respectfully,




nppmaHamus

o Galactic Geographic Explorero

Master Mountain Climber


Bihlbo
Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:33 pm
#44

I think that it needs some editing from what it is now. Specifically, I think it would be a better list if very low-priority issues were moved from the current categories into their own category. The hunting lodge idea doesn't deserve as much attention as any of the bugs, for example.


Aside from that, I think it's bar-none the best SotP doc in any of the forums. It's very long, but it's built in such a way that it's easy to read and understand; and it's length is due to necessity,not a lack of brevity. I would hate to see it go, or to see it replaced with something that leaves out all of the hard work of the Ranger community.


Still, it might be a good idea to create a Cliff Notes version of the document that lists out some of the main points and skips the details. Some may want to read the Ranger SotP without reading every good idea and every aspect of each problem.


But here's what I think is most important: what do the Devs and THthink? Do they want it shorter so it's easier to read, at the cost of the details? Or do they want to know as much as they can by reading this document rather than having to fish the forum for the details?



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Blazingfury1
Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:49 pm
#45






I have been Playing a Ranger since the game came out. Made Master a long time ago. gave up the useless trapping line. I know think that I should give up the use less camping line. No Wait Ranger is simply a use less class. Any combat class with novice scout can kill and harvest as effectively than a Master Ranger. Patch #7 and still NOTHING. I can not think of anything more imbarrassing than putting upMASTER RANGER tag LOL what a joke. First it wasthe awsome power of the T-21 rifle oooohh . TKM PVP Creature killing machines. The the pure lair killing frenzy of the Commando, what a wind fall of loot hay day they had Oh Yeah. Then Came the CH Solo whole elite planets killing every creature with ease. Combat Medic, need I say more another PVP PVE Elite class. Ranger might as well be in the same class as entertainer.
AtomicElephant
Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:14 pm
#46




BetaRey Bil
Master Ranger
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Cissero
Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:43 am
#47

Awesome post,


I am curious if there is anything moving towards being able to /bana player from camps.


I remember doing a raid on a Rebel Faction Base a while back, and while we were healing our wounds, some of the Rebels happened upon our camp and began to /listen / /watch our entertainers in MY camp. Had I been able to /ban them from my camp, they would have had to find their own way of healing there mind wounds. Just an idea.






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"You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?"
PithrenDarkstar
Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:32 pm
#48

Couldn't the entertainers just use /denyservice or whatever the command is to prevent them from watching and listening? It wouldn't do a thing about wound healing over time in the camp, but it would stop them from getting the free mind heals.



- Pithren Ðarkstar
¤ Master Ranger ¤
  • in memory of NRaas, Ranger Correspondent

Cissero
Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:34 am
#49

That is true, but it still doesn't address the issue of the GCW. I am imperial to the bone. I don't want a rebel benifiting from my camps. Healing wounds of all types, using my crafting station, or just being in my presence. I can ban them from my house, and I can ban them from using my city services, but I can't keep them out of my camps, which as a Ranger, is my HOME.



Master Medic / Master Marksman / Master Scout / Master Doctor / Master Rifleman (1st Holo) / Master BH (2nd Holo) / Master Dancer (3rd Holo) / Master Image Designer (4th Holo) / Master Muscian / Master Entertainer / Master Ranger / Master Brawler / Master Teras Kasi / Master Fencer / Grinding for Jedi Initiate

"You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?"
AzucarSalado
Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:29 am
#50

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Ranger might as well be in the same class as entertainer.

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At least, they are sought by players because thay can buff and heal mind. Since there is not need of a camp for calling pets and vehicles, and the camo breaks a lot; no one seeks for Rangers (although they want a group mate who does not "stole" XP).



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Imperial Colonel "Azuc Ar'Salad".
Proud Bothan of his Lineage.
SpaceKidAmnesiac
Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:00 pm
#51






Bihlbo wrote:

I think that it needs some editing from what it is now. Specifically, I think it would be a better list if very low-priority issues were moved from the current categories into their own category. The hunting lodge idea doesn't deserve as much attention as any of the bugs, for example.


Aside from that, I think it's bar-none the best SotP doc in any of the forums. It's very long, but it's built in such a way that it's easy to read and understand; and it's length is due to necessity,not a lack of brevity. I would hate to see it go, or to see it replaced with something that leaves out all of the hard work of the Ranger community.


Still, it might be a good idea to create a Cliff Notes version of the document that lists out some of the main points and skips the details. Some may want to read the Ranger SotP without reading every good idea and every aspect of each problem.


But here's what I think is most important: what do the Devs and THthink? Do they want it shorter so it's easier to read, at the cost of the details? Or do they want to know as much as they can by reading this document rather than having to fish the forum for the details?





I agree, N'Raas's list is extremely comprehensive and has everything any Ranger could possibly want, but it would do more good than harm to have it sectioned off into Top Issues, Bugs, and Wishes, in that order. The list itself would probably grow a bit due to duplicate headings (Top Issues with camps, Bugs with camps, and Wishes for camps, e.g.), but that way we could have the most pertinent information at the top, right where Thunderheart could easily see what we want most out of the profession. Plus, by having the Bugs section after the Top Issues section, we could avoid the previous problem of only getting developer responses to bugs and having everything else ignored because it was at the top of a very long list of issues.





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Calculus_Entropy
Sat May 01, 2004 2:55 pm
#52

No one is trying to silence anyone. We don't really need spam on our boards about how terrible we are for playing the Devs game.



Calculus Entropy
Ranger Blue Glowie Emeritus
Garindan used /areatrack to find Han.
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