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The devs arnt working on anything ranger atm, does this mean they should drop everything? Half of our measly skills are severely lacking or useless, anyone want to see camps go?

Is this really any surprise? With the Combat Upgrade in the works, the Devs are almost/not quite tunnel-visioned on that. I'm happy they have added some content in the meantime... think about the Chef revamp, the droid revamp, the Jedi revamp... they like to focus in on fixing one thing at a time, seems. (Maybe a little breadth of vision would help, but hopefully the all encompassing combagravance will show this. Side Note: Owen-Lars, anything you could possibly say without violating a NDA?)

I think you are slightly blinded by the word "buff" because of its current (doctor made and applied) form. Buffing could essentially mean increasing our resistances to poisons, diseases and even creature damage. Increasing our harvest skills, trapping skills even giving us completely new abilities to the point where it buffs your skill at being a ranger not just a stat or mod.

Hmm. Foraging has some of these things already... As a Scout, foraging was about useless (IMHO) when compared with flora extractors (for that matter, Medical Forage is equally questionable). As a (now) Novice Ranger, I find I am foraging strange foods... which are weak, very limited, and also horribly filling when compared to Chef foods. An upgrade, maybe, but still not as good as it could be. Much like the Smuggler's "Underworld", I think this branch could use some fine tuning.

I wouldnt dismiss something just because it hasnt been worked on yet, imo (and your welcome to disagree ofcourse) foraging is a key component of survival, not tracking but actually increasing your effectiveness in the wild, helping you 'survive' in the wilderness.

Once again i see lots of potential, and something that could become very effective.

In reality, foraging is in fact a very important ability. However, in terms of game mechanics, the forage skill does nothing to truly increase my effectiveness at surviving in the wilderness. (The wilderness in question seeming to be smaller and smaller every day.)

Message Edited by Dariane_Kamutsovy on 01-20-2005 09:40 PM

• Ranger skills are design to be used Prior, During and Post combat. We are designed to work in combat and directly with the combat system therefore we are combat orientated


• Brawler/Marksman are not required for you to be combat orientated. All they do is simply allow you to use firearms of melee weapons.


• Traps ARE weapons, you may not see them as certifications but they are. To call something a weapon doesnt mean it should just do damage. Id argue with anyone who says that a stun gun (real life non fatal device) is not a weapon.


• Just because scout is our pre-requisit doesnt mean we should be super scouts. Take the ideas we learn in scout and make a unique profession based off them, not following on from them.


• Ranger should not be creature only. Scout is creature only, if you go ranger youtake the ideas and concepts you develope in scout (pathfinding, intel gathering, survival and trapping) and move them into the elite domain (pvp/npc/creature).


• CH uses the same starting profession as we do yet they are a combat class. CH got it right, using the scout pre-reqs as the foundations and foundations only for making a unique elite proffession based in all combat domains.

I know ive rambled on but those are some major points id like to get across.

We just need to remember not to think 'inside the box'. If we take forage away, we are not getting it back, likewise with anything else. Keep foraging in until our revamp so the option is there for developing it into something great. Simply dismissing a skill on the eve of our revamp (admittedly a long 'eve') is extremely short sighted as it has the potential to be a great feature of the ranger profession.

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Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Ranger class is supposed to be a combat class?

If so, the current revamp is called a combat revamp?

Hence, Ranger should be considered.

It's only logical

Message Edited by Dariane_Kamutsovy on 01-20-2005 09:40 PM

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This is ONLY my opinion, and I very well could be wrong, but..... IMHO, you're wrong. And here's why.

Ranger only grants a combat modifier of "creature to-hit" bonus. Further, Ranger derives from Scout, which has no combat abilities. Neither Scout nor Ranger gain any weapon certifications beyond basic CDEF and C12 grenades; all characters have these certs. (I don't count traps as "certifications"; they are useless against NPCs, and their usefulness against creatures is debatable.)

Further, all "elite" or "hybrid" combat classes include some or all of Marksman or Brawler. In this way, all combat derives from Marksman or Brawler. Without Marksman or Brawler, you cannot use any weapon with proficiency save for the CDEF (or C12 grenade, when you can find it). Similiarly, most (not all; most notably BE) crafting professions derive from Artisan. Scout seems to be a harvesting profession, along with Ranger (Scout Supersized). By itself, it is not capable of surviving long in combat. In fact, without Marksman or Brawler, you are up the creek with no paddle in most all combat situations. In this way, and because of its pedigree, a Ranger is NOT a combat profession in any significant way. Without a secondary profession, as a Ranger, you will die. Most horribly.

How do I know this? I am now a MBE-3324CH-MScout-0010Ranger. My only weapon is the CDEF, my pets, and some guildie provided C12s. Since adopting this spread of skills (for reasons and rational, PM me), I have been incapped 4 times tonight alone, and died once. I narrowly survived running from an Imperial inspection by green-con stormtroopers because I can burst-run around them in circles. Since dropping Pistoleer to pursue Ranger, I have seen the world anew, from a combat perspective. It looks a lot like it did almost two years ago, when I started this lovely world.

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SickSix wrote:

^ lol That's funny, I can tell you right now, (personally knowing 3 former rangers) that RL Rangers are an ELITE combat unit. In SWG they are simply Elite Scouts, which are 100% NON-combat..... So making ties between RL and SWG is hard. Because obviously the DEVs had no-intention of the two being related. But I'll still push for Rangers having rifle mods because, Big Game hunters use big rifles. Your not going to fight a Rancor with a Vibro Knuckle.....(in the game now, sure you can, but in *real*StarWars you'd get eatin' in like 2.1 seconds), or....... (lightbulb!!!)

GIVE US MELEE DEFENSE!!!!

If we're not an offensive prof, fine, then give us DEFENSE mods against the Animals that are trying to MELEE us to death!!!! Then, Rifle(or any ranged) users can do Scout/Ranger and not have to stack in Fencer(or whatever). BRILLIANT!!!!!

(apologize if this has been stated already, but it just came to ME!)

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Ummm...we have Melee Defense in the Master Box...BUT not much.

The idea of Defense vs. Creatures is one that I will make owen push really hard when the revamp comes around. We Rangers have often suggested that we should have inherent resitsts vs. State effects and Poison and Disease as well as a Creature Damage Mitigation (creatures hit us less hard).

In SWG they are simply Elite Scouts, which are 100% NON-combat..... So making ties between RL and SWG is hard.

How about ties between SWG rangers RL rangers and SW rangers?

Many SW rangers are combat orientated, real life rangers are combat oriented and survivalist so why shouldnt the idea of SWG rangers change? We dont need a firearm or melee weapon to be combat orientated, simply a set of skills that interact with the combat system directly. We have all those, we are combat arientated.

IMO though the devs got SWG rangers wrong big time. Star Wars rangers and Real Life rangers should of been the references they needed to look at, notfind an area of the game that was perhaps lacking (organic collection) and add in a half finished proffession there to make up the numbers. I mean come on, its ranger! Every other game featuring rangers or scouts have a direction involved in combat. SWG rangers should too.