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Thread: Veghash: Cost/Benefit Analysis
ScoerFusou wrote:
Cryos_Merovingian wrote:
ScoerFusou wrote:
Well a fellow guildie(who is also a Master Ranger) and I have been hunting a lot together since this last patch and he uses Veg and I do not. From what I've seen Veg is OK but not great. We were on Lok the other night collecting animal bone from whatever we saw and on mostoccasions he was only harvesting 10 more units then I was. Now I'm not sure what mod his Veg was but it better have been the +32 Veg that I make with my alt because he knows he gets it for free! If in fact it was the +32 stuff, I don't see the real benefit in using it for an extra 10 units of resources for 15m especially since we wipe out a lair in less then 2 minutes and waste another 3 or 4 walking to more spawns sometimes. I'd much rather save my stomach for emergencies for canape, won-won or Kiwik Clusjo Swirl, or perhaps even Vercupti in case things get crazy. Or perhaps some Synthsteak or Pikatta Pie, maybe some Vegeparsine. I'm not saying Veghash isn't a good food, I'd just rather use something thats gonna save my butt in a tight spot instead of having to bite it cuz im full on Veg. Besides with my partner at my side I'm already pulling in amazing quantities of the resource anyway.
Well that's an interesting point, especially when you consider the CURB in the mix. From what I understand (and it's really all specualtion at this point) buffs are going to get a slight nerf and food is anticipated to play a much bigger role in keeping you in line. With this in mind, one has to consider the benefits using veghash.
I'm a little shocked that your friend was only harvesting 10 units more than you over the duration of an entire veghash buff. I don't have hard data for you here, but that does shock me that it's that small of a difference.
It's an interesting point of discussion though to think about the benefits of veghash when stomach space is truly an issue. As of right now, I odn't need food if I'm buffed. And if I'm hunting rancors or voritors, I'm definitely buffed.
Oh no...it was 10 units more per harvest...so overall he was pullin in a bit more then me. All I was saying(and these numbers are off the top of my head so don't take them literally) is say we go out for an hour and I pull in about 25k bone not using Veg, with his Veg he'd only be pullin in about 27-28k...3k is a lot but when your already pullin in 25k an hour is that 3k really worth it? Personally I don't think it is, i like to be able to keep myself alive so I don't have to take a trip to the cloner and then waste time finding a doc for healing and more buffs. Also if you go out unbuffed(which sometimes I do if i cant get a free buff from my guild doc, yes im spoiled like that and I almost never pay for a buff or wait in buff lines) Vegtakes upstomach room which could otherwise be used forthe foods I mentioned earlier. Like I said,it is a useful food, I just don't see it as a HUGE benefit and I'd rather use other foods.
Good morning Rangers!
I happen to be both a Ranger and a Chef. I still employ a number of rangers for hunts, but I just love being a ranger....so I keep one on my combat alt. 
Anyway, as a Chef, here would be my suggestion as this is how I use Veghash: Its all about your skill level and what you are hunting. If you are a scout level harvester, then use veghash. It will help you a good deal. If you are a Master or high level ranger on the other hand, then it depends what you are harvesting. Example? We had a nice Rori Bristley hide spawn recently. Now, assuming you DONT have the time or the luck to find leviasquall spawns, you are stuck killing very low level mobs to get this hide. In that case, Veghash is going to bring you an extra couple units on a total haul of 20 or so. Not that much of a help.
But lets say you are after Endor Carnivore? Now thats a whole different story. A Blurrg will drop around 160 units of carni without veghash, and close to 200 or more WITH veghash. That is where is starts to become worthwhile : When your individual harvests bring in more than 100 units or so. Thats my opinion anyway. If I am out hunting Dath or Endor Carn, or other large mobs that drop tons of a resource, then I am definitely on the Veghash.
Now granted, this is from the perspective of someone who doesnt have to PAY for veghash. But I think that its how I would function if I was just a Ranger for hire.
ANOTHER SUGGESTION:
More than half of the cost of Veghash comes from the BioEngineered additive that goes into it. You may want to request NON-BE enhanced Veghash. The mod can get close to +20, and it will cost at least half as much as the +30 stuff. That might make it more worthwhile for some of you. Just a thought.
Just thought I would offer these suggestion!
On a final note, I would just like to say that this is one Chef that could not live without the help of the Ranger community. I tip my hats to all of you, and if there are any Starsider Rangers here looking for work, please contact Vomit or come by my shop in Revenance, Lok.
Thanks guys!
Vomit
your input really added to the discussion of how veghash enhances our capabilities, 5 stars for you.
I must say that this thread has taught this ol' ranger a few things.
SkunkDuster wrote:
Obata wrote:
Veghash does indeed add to the harvesting mod itself. So, +30 veghash increases your harvesting mod to +180, if you're a non-lizard master ranger. That results in a change of 0.3 to your harvesting multiplier (2.5 becomes 2.8), granting you a 12% increase in your harvesting.
I'm not doubting you are correct, but I'm curious how you determined the highlighted numbers?
It comes from the harvesting formula, discovered independently by Nemo and myself. Your harvesting multiplier is 1+hm/100, where hm is your harvesting modifier. The multiplier is the number affected by the grouping bonuses. You can find the whole harvesting formula here.
Message Edited by Obata on 03-03-2005 05:55 PM