Ranger Archive
Thread: Do The Devs Read This Board?
Squidwalker wrote:
That's sad calc about the coor forums. I alwasy imagined them full of red names. Cause it and the coor program started when the red names stopped appearing in the normal forums so much. I thought the idea was to "channel" the communications between players and devs. Is the coor forum even useful, or is it just like the rest of them, where the coor all complain and get annoyed and frustrated?
some of the facts are: I do remember the last time a dev posted in the Ranger forums, it was a while ago, but still.. i do remember it. Also, it had nothing substantial in it. Why? because there is nothing substantial in the works for ranger.
do we deserve a revamp? yes
will we get it? yes
when? who knows
In my personal opinion, just because a dev is busily working on JTL, Combat Balance, Jedi, Smuggler, SL, should he drop what he or she is doing, post on our forums without anything good to say? Or, would you prefer a ranger revamp in August, and Space Expansion delayed a month or two... needless to say that that the rushed ranger revamp would most likely be poorly planned and executed.
How would you react if TH posted on the Ranger forums saying exactly the same thing he has been saying for a while (nothing specific towards ranger)
If you look to see where he has posted, you will notice the thrust of where the game is heading.
I for one dont have a myopic view and think that rangers should be first, or last...I would rather have a completed and well thought out JTL and CB than a half-assed attempt because the devs were splitting their time posting nothing substantive on the forums.
Let the devs do their jobs, let the correspondants do their jobs, and in the meantime... use ranger to the best of your ability no matter how much of it you have.
While I understand why Calc is catching the flak because of our frustration, I fully support him, trust him and will back him up 100% Lets not take our frustrations out on one of our own, just because he is visible, accessible and our main link to the devs.
his job is hard enough without us making it more stressful.
One last thing, when Calc talk about substance, we do have that in our ideas and suggestions, when the time comes for the revamp, those ideas will be heard.. there can be no inherent substance without a foundation to place the ideas on... the foundation is the decision to revamp ranger... then we collect our ideas, form them up submit them and when that time comes, the community will be in majority agreement and thats less work we have to do then, and Ranger will be more of a community effort than 3 or 4 devs brainstorming as to what would be cool.
Ranger, i belive, will soon be a profession of our creation, in collaboration with Calc and the devs.
/rant off.
Squidwalker wrote:
Well I don't believe what I don't see. There is a post just today from JustG in BH responding to the devs not posting in there for one lousy day, and just saying "I always troll". Greenmarine has not been in here for a long time, admited by himself.
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
I thought we established that they DO read these boards! The problem is that they don't post. You want them to post, but you don't want a fluff answer. If they don't have anything other than fluff to post,then why do we want them to post? "We know you have issues' is the fluffy response we can possibly get. I know they know of our problems...I make them aware of those problems myself! The fact of the matter is, we aren't Star Wars Icons. We don't sell the game, so we don't have a high priority (it sucks but it is a fact of life, people). The Devsvery. very rarelypost in any other Profession forums (minus Greenmarine with the Smuggler revamp) so why should we be any different?
Actually, Calc, neither is chef, and they got a huge revamp. The others, DE, Smuggler, and even eewwww, Entertainer, are StarWars icons. But from the orginal post, the devs have not posted in here since Q3PO posted our Coor Feedback. So going off of that, we are still waiting on those changes he stated in that. You know, the ones he actually commited to, and didn't just say we will try, or would like to do. That post was in Aug, that's ummmmmmm A YEAR ago.
So, based on what you said and devs, if you make a huge stink stand up, are completely impatient, don't care about any profession but your own, rant and flame the devs into oblivian, we get a responce? I point your attention to the BH forums starting Monday.
So BH get nerfed in major parts of their professions do to other prof updates. 1. jedi revamp makes BH nearly useless against new jedi, jedi missions got wacked, and the weapon delay hinders their specific weapon specials. 2. a few minor other prof or game changes, made noticable changes for BH. 3. Jedi missions don't work right or at all for a while after implementation. The devs constantly work on it, tweek it, talk with BH for a few months trying to get it fixed for them. They **edit** and whine and yell and actually name call and flame the devs, what the devs said they will NEVER respond to.
Now, a parallel of that above we look at ranger.1. camps got nerfed big time by not being needed forpets/droids anymore. You don't need them to heal wounds with med bots, and their repel never really worked right. So they are Utterly useless other then looks. 2. One of thetwo traps(which is already a nerf) we have is discovered to be useless because it gives dizzy that we are told has NEVER worked on animals. 3. Harvesting droids cut into the one thing ranger had an advantage for,the harvesting bonus. Stack that on top of non rangers can spend more on combat and harvest more in time then us. 4. /areatrack was implemented along with /conceal and we found bugs with them, but have yet to even hear a reponce back to acknowledge it, let alone get dev feedback. We stay reasonably calm, quite and discuss ideas and problems with ourselves, attempting to get the devs attention. We don't go around flaming the devs, we tend to think of the "game" picture and otherprofessions. AND WE GET NOTHING FOR A YEAR!!!
Don't get me wrong, they did get the big pooch screw lately and I even posted in there to help them out. But the point is, devs do post in prof forums, have done rather often and really really frequently. And no, the 19 Answers do not count, for those are not IN the prof forum, and are expected.
I'm understanding where you are coming from Calc on the devs point of view. Hell all the attention for the bloody jedi is proof enough where the devs loyalties lie. But that doesn't cut it with me. I'm one of those, "dont discriminate then tell me not to" kinds of guys. We all pay for the game, we all play the game, we all bring people into the game to pay and play. A lot of us contribute to the game, and the community as a character/player and the devs. As lame as it might sound, they need to play fair. There is nothing in the EULA that says certain areas, professions in the game take presidence over others.
So take that comparison to TH.
Message Edited by Squidwalker on 06-30-200404:01 PM
Message Edited by Squidwalker on 06-30-2004 04:01 PM
Could not have said this any better if I tried.
Please see my "Cover you eyes/ears....." thread...............
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Do all the Devs read this board? Doubtful
Do SOME Devs read this board? Most certainly
Does a Dev not posting mean he doesn't read this board? Nope
Do we want fluff posts, or substance? I prefer substance
And we can expect to see your response on how Publish 9 destroyed the game and what you guys are doing to fix it, when?
Thunderheart wrote:
Sooner or later a lot ofus see it
Bah, such a friendly environment the ranger 'corner' normally is 