Ranger Archive
Thread: So, let me get this straight.....
KaiRaene
Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:33 pm
#27
Well, I think I have spewed enough in the TC Forum that I just cant redo it all here. At this point I am simply exasperated and waiting for the axe to fall. Since we have been totally ignored in this CU and doctors who were the same as us in skill points and also non combat I might add are getting revamped and a health bonus means they simply dont care about this profession. I just have no clue how they could honestly look over the list of professions and say screw Ranger yet again. I just dont get it.
Screw it.. I will go play some Half Life 2 and boycott SWG a bit til I hear something...
Screw it.. I will go play some Half Life 2 and boycott SWG a bit til I hear something...
Owen-Lars
Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:35 pm
#28
I havnt a clue when/if we will get any feedback. Tiggs said she will help but theres only so much she can do too. If the devs turn around and dont answer the questions or give feedback then ill just try something else and keep going but hopefully this will come off. IMO we deserve some feedback on these issues.
Almagill
Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:30 pm
#29
Hi Rooks,
Saw your post over in TC too, nice job. Yep, it DOES feel like the Dev's have taken the Outdoorsman proposal, thoguht, hey this looks cool, and then passed it round all the other professions. But like Calc said, those profession had been asking for the same sort of thing from way back, maybe some of us picked up the ideas from each other, who knows.
The important thing to remember now is this:
The dev's have given us a stick with which to beat them.
Rangers want a form of concealment, we're told 'it can't be done, it won't be done', now it HAS been done and a precedent has been set. Players can be dropped off radar.
Rangers wanted, half jokingly, a unique clothing item that was of use to our profession and nobody else. Well, dencers have their string suits, docs have their weird dresses. Now docs and medics get a medical bag, even if its non-funtional other than being a big bag with a red cross on, I don't care. We can ask for and should get our hat. It makes us unique in appearance just like the docs.
Rangers want traps that work against pets, npc's, players... "oh no, no, it can't be done, too powerful, to unbalancing..." Well, can't remember which rifle it is, but I think its BH who get one that "may cause vehicles to slow" Sounds like a weapon that can be used against players/mounts to me.
All in all, a nice bunch of precendents and its only early days
Don't give up hope of a revamp, just don't expect it TOO soon. Remember, after EVERY major publish (jedi, JtL) there's been a month of bedding in and fixing bugs while 'other stuff' got put on the back burner. Once we're past that though, well, who knows.
Saw your post over in TC too, nice job. Yep, it DOES feel like the Dev's have taken the Outdoorsman proposal, thoguht, hey this looks cool, and then passed it round all the other professions. But like Calc said, those profession had been asking for the same sort of thing from way back, maybe some of us picked up the ideas from each other, who knows.
The important thing to remember now is this:
The dev's have given us a stick with which to beat them.
Rangers want a form of concealment, we're told 'it can't be done, it won't be done', now it HAS been done and a precedent has been set. Players can be dropped off radar.
Rangers wanted, half jokingly, a unique clothing item that was of use to our profession and nobody else. Well, dencers have their string suits, docs have their weird dresses. Now docs and medics get a medical bag, even if its non-funtional other than being a big bag with a red cross on, I don't care. We can ask for and should get our hat. It makes us unique in appearance just like the docs.
Rangers want traps that work against pets, npc's, players... "oh no, no, it can't be done, too powerful, to unbalancing..." Well, can't remember which rifle it is, but I think its BH who get one that "may cause vehicles to slow" Sounds like a weapon that can be used against players/mounts to me.
All in all, a nice bunch of precendents and its only early days
Don't give up hope of a revamp, just don't expect it TOO soon. Remember, after EVERY major publish (jedi, JtL) there's been a month of bedding in and fixing bugs while 'other stuff' got put on the back burner. Once we're past that though, well, who knows.
Rooks
Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:59 am
#30
Rangers have spent the last20 MONTHS putting together proposal after proposal for a Ranger revamp.
We have come up with such ground breaking ideas as STEALTH that actually takes the RANGER off the radar, as in this thread from 13 MONTHS ago.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=ranger&message.id=42635
INSTEAD they give this ability to the RIFLEMAN? and possibly JEDI with /conceal and force cloak?
We also came up with a RANGER SPECIFIC WEAPON such as a BOW, Rifle or even a TRAP LAUNCHER as from this old thread from 1 YEAR ago.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=ranger&message.id=65392#M65392
INSTEAD they give the COMBAT MEDICS a class specific weapon in the ALLIANCE PISTOL?
We talked about enhancing our TRAPS for better combat uses, making them usable against NPCs, Players and Player Pets as far back as 16 MONTHS ago. INSTEAD they give PISTOLEERS Stat changing effects for "Crowd Control"
We asked for COMBAT ABILITY on Mounted creatures, sounds simple. We asked for that 9 MONTHS AGO and instead, we get "Mounts Unleashed" for everyone.
We asked for our CAMPS to actually WORK and instead we get them made usueless over the past 6 months.
We ASKED FOR A FRIKKIN RANGER HAT for simple EYE CANDY 6 months ago,
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=ranger&message.id=69005
JUST so we could pretend we were still involved in this game.
We have been TOTALLY left out of the CURB and until recently whenever We or anyone asked for a change or fix we were told, "Wait till the Combat revamp, all will be done then." Now, we find out RANGERS are COMPLETELY left out of the CURB to the point where we now LOSE HAM points compared to other classes.
RANGERS are now the ONLY Class required to have a Novice Profession Mastered and we have the MOST Skill points used up than ANY OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME at 140 skill points.
DEVs, you took OUR IDEAS and used them in the CURB and gave them to other classes, just totally ignoring Rangers.
Devs have stated that a POSSIBLE Ranger revamp will occur after the Smuggler and Squad Leader revamp.
Smugglers and Squad Leaders have been waiting 1 YEAR, yes 12 MONTHS for their revamps, how long will Rangers have to wait JUST to get even with the CURB? JUST to get what is being put into play TODAY for the other classes? OUR IDEAS stolen from OUR forum and used by the Devs for other classes instead of Rangers?
Devs, you have done the Ranger community wrong, we have been the most loyal, most civil, most constructive forum in this entire game and you have taken our self-restraint and stepped all over us.
We will not lower ourselves to protests, whining in starports or threats of strikes or quiting. We will simply wear our Master Ranger tags in public with pride and rub it in your face that you cannot just ABOLISH this class, which is the foremost opinion of late, that Ranger is heading for the delete bin.
We won't let you do that, WE are Rangers, and being a Ranger on our forum is more than a class ability, ora bunch of skill points or the ability to kill a rancor with 1 wink of an eye, or being the FOTM.
We have a saying on the Ranger forum "Ranger is a Lifestyle, not a Profession."
Devs, you can never take that away from us.
Message Edited by Rooks on 04-04-2005 03:06 PM
DND_Cas
Tue Apr 05, 2005 1:53 am
#31
Rooks wrote:
3 tree lines in Ranger fixed in a day, simple attaching Ranger code tags to the existing ones in the CU.
All that leaves would be our Ranger Hat and Camps.
I could wait a few months for those final 2 items if we got the other 3 taken care of now
Rooks,
They've obviously balenced the professions around several assumptions. One of which being what possible combinations of professions someone can pickup and what effect that would have on the game. Suddenly adding ranger into the mix means they'd have to redo all of thier math which, at this late stage, I can't see happening. Having the functionality in the game is only half the battle unfortunately
Dariane_Kamutsovy
Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:09 am
#32
Rooks wrote:
Owen-Lars wrote:
Grats to LangaNor on the hat
I understand exactly what you mean Rooks, it sucks big time. Crap part is theres still no light at the end of the tunnel, it only seems darker and darker.
Ill carry anyone who needs it, but we need feedback and answers asap from the devs, this is what im trying to get atm. Tiggs is trying to get my community questions answered and im trying something else too. No idea if any of them will see the light of day (out of my hands im afraid) but im trying my hardest.
I understand Owen, by the way, I think you have done a great job taking over for Calc.
You and Calc have fought the long hard fight for us, and we appreciate it.
Fought? As in past tense?
Doubt it. I think they still ARE FIGHTING.
And also is JB.
And Phoenix
And every other Ranger (Scout) out there...
So the battle is not over yet, until it is, they have my complete support and I will do anything I can to help.
Almagill
Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:09 am
#33
Kiryoku wrote:ugh... i'm sorry guys... i'm leaving it, but only cause it feels wrong to destroy it...i still feel like rangers are getting hosed in a horrible, horrible way... it baffles me how the devs can leave us out of this...i just wanted to say... i'm happy with the CU in all the ways it doesn't affect ranger... i think it's a great thing... i hate the way combat and all the relatedness works now, and i'm looking forward to all the changes going live... it should make the game a lot of fun again...i'm just sorely disappointed with the lack of attention the devs have payed to the ranger profession... i think it's idiocy to let such potential go to waste and not even acknowledge the fact that it is combat related, and that it is now the largest waste of skill points in the game...
ack ack no!!! Leaving what? the prof? Or just the discussion?
Hopefully neither because,
1) Don't bin ranger right now based on what you are seeing atm in test. It's beyond weird, but, as I've gone over multiple times in various posts, things on test are meant to be a bit screwy right now. the dev's are trying to force particualr types of activity so they can get stats on that activity.
2) Don't leave the conversation, lol. You made another point up there that goes in my list of "things that ranger can whap the Dev's with in the Revamp". /kneecap shot. If riflemen get an attack that allows them to affect a players movement / speed of movement (istr theres something in the BH's attacks too that affects player speed. could be wrong, not got the trees on this machine) then it becomes MUCH harder for the dev team to argue that giving players a trap that has a similar effect is 'unbalancing'.
Huntseeker
Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:23 am
#34
I've been relistening to one of my albums here at home I think this best matches the ranger mood atm:
http://www.sonymusic.com/clips/selection/fu/090836/090836_01_01_full_100.asx
http://www.sonymusic.com/clips/selection/fu/090836/090836_01_01_full_100.asx
Calculus_Entropy
Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:52 am
#35
KaiRaene wrote:
Well, I think I have spewed enough in the TC Forum that I just cant redo it all here. At this point I am simply exasperated and waiting for the axe to fall. Since we have been totally ignored in this CU and doctors who were the same as us in skill points and also non combat I might add are getting revamped and a health bonus means they simply dont care about this profession. I just have no clue how they could honestly look over the list of professions and say screw Ranger yet again. I just dont get it.
Screw it.. I will go play some Half Life 2 and boycott SWG a bit til I hear something...
You do know that Buffs and Healing are part of the original problem, right? They are getting a huge nerf, so I think they would LOVE to be in our shoes. Also, why have people given up all hope that Rangers will ever get the health bonus? Is there a dev, or corr post that states such? If not, then there is still a good chance we will get it.
Dark_0ne
Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:56 am
#36
right - that does it ... I'm not going to be on TC5 much in the next few days, going to drop some of those poncy combat skills in live and get back to Master Ranger ...
yes - that's what I'm going to do :-)
give me a nudge when you need me on TC5 to test a Ranger/Master Combat profession ;-)
yes - that's what I'm going to do :-)
give me a nudge when you need me on TC5 to test a Ranger/Master Combat profession ;-)
LangaNor
Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:17 am
#38
ah, thank you for the hat.
i feel i deserve it since i've been doing nothing but preaching patience, and the first sign of weakness from me and I get flamed, from a correspondent no less... I feel honoured. and no, i don't think its an off-the-wall idea that they may want to remove/replace Ranger. but then again, I didn't think that bringing up the possibility would incur the wrath of the Ranger community. it's amazing how all this CU stuff has successfully turned this into the Jedi forum.
whatever. i suppose we'll see what happens in May.
i feel i deserve it since i've been doing nothing but preaching patience, and the first sign of weakness from me and I get flamed, from a correspondent no less... I feel honoured. and no, i don't think its an off-the-wall idea that they may want to remove/replace Ranger. but then again, I didn't think that bringing up the possibility would incur the wrath of the Ranger community. it's amazing how all this CU stuff has successfully turned this into the Jedi forum.
whatever. i suppose we'll see what happens in May.