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Thread: Healing BF in camps.

Tonteth
Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:51 pm
#27

Honestly, who cares about the cantinas now. We've been stripped of everything we once had as unique or useful. I think it's time for some "what goes around, comes around".




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EricTheO
Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:44 pm
#28

I think that only High Tech Field Base Camps should be able to heal BF over time.



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jamessolecki
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:11 am
#29

Nemo0: Ifwe were hurtingthe Devs with such a change, that might be a fair point. But the Entertainers have done NOTHING to deserve it. If anything, they've been hurt more than we have (with the hologrinding).



Nemo0 this might give the Entertainers a little more purpose. People would hire them to go out with them on big hunts so they can lower the BF and heal mind wounds. I am not an Entertainer but I personally would rather be out making money actually doing something worth 15 bucks a month than being afk in a cantina or surrounded by afk hologrinders..... But that is myown two scents.... But it would give them the option of where they would want to be... If they don't want to go out to a camp to heal someone they wont'...


Nemo0
Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:51 pm
#30






jamessolecki wrote:

Nemo0: Ifwe were hurtingthe Devs with such a change, that might be a fair point. But the Entertainers have done NOTHING to deserve it. If anything, they've been hurt more than we have (with the hologrinding).



Nemo0 this might give the Entertainers a little more purpose. People would hire them to go out with them on big hunts so they can lower the BF and heal mind wounds. I am not an Entertainer but I personally would rather be out making money actually doing something worth 15 bucks a month than being afk in a cantina or surrounded by afk hologrinders..... But that is myown two scents.... But it would give them the option of where they would want to be... If they don't want to go out to a camp to heal someone they wont'...









I'm not arguing that BF shouldn't be able to be healed in a camp. I'm arguing that a camp shouldn't be able to replace an Entertainer. I don't mind if it replaces a Cantina.


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GTOfire
Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:44 am
#31

I'm personally all for an auto-heal BF in the camps starting at the Field Base Kit. The auto-heal should be on par in speed with the auto-wound-heal. IE. it'd be quicker to go back and find a doc/entertainer if you're not too far from town with many wounds/BF, but if you're way out in the boonies where us Rangers usually reside, it'd be easier to camp out and take a breather instead. It's not like docs take much of a paycut with every camp healing wounds slowly, entertainers shouldn't see any troubles with high-end camps regenerating BF slowly either.



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jamessolecki
Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:29 am
#32


Nemo0: I'm not arguing that BF shouldn't be able to be healed in a camp. I'm arguing that a camp shouldn't be able to replace an Entertainer. I don't mind if it replaces a Cantina.



That is what I would like to see. We don't need the camp itself to heal BF just make it so a Entertainer can do it in our camps. I am pretty sure that is what most of our community has been asking for. And to me it doesn't sound unreasonable. Maybe someone should see what the entertainers think of it......


AgonThalia
Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:41 am
#33

Auto Healing for the HTFB should not really happen.

although it would not seriously affect the Entertainer population in terms of money or other things (in my opinion)

What it does do is this: The two things that Entertainers do well is 1) heal mind/BF wounds and buff mind and mind related stats.
If you have ever spent time on the entertainer boards, there are still a lot of issues and bugs and things that they really dont like about the profession.

Asking for BF to auto heal is akin to letting Jedi harvest critters.
Sure, they probably wont become the elite harvesters in the galaxy, but it is taking the one thing that we are known to do and giving it to someone else.

Asking for BF to auto heal is like allowing rangers to meditate to heal wounds/ poison/ disease

It is like asking for us to use higher level creatures.

I for one really dont want to take away any skills that another profession has, I would rather push for new and unique skills that would allow us to hunt and kill animals and people better.

Allowing BF to heal in a camp with the presence of an Entertainer, is a suitable compromise that would allow the continuation of profession interdependency.

Message Edited by AgonThalia on 04-14-2004 12:42 PM



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ThGilsRooc
Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:31 am
#34

I agree with the consensus that the camps shouldn't autoheal. I don't agree with holo that ranger camps would remove the need for a cantina. I feel, as a deep-seated hunter, that hunting would be enhanced greatly if an entertainer were left dancing in my HTFB as I"m out killing. I return to the camp and get my BF handled (being tka, BF is always gathering). On any given night on a high level planet, I'll gather 100BF just from fighting. As an independent hunter, I hate the idea of returning to a city (or leaving the planet for another) just to heal BF. I'm the type of hunter that will grab two missions on the way out, and track what I want from there. Random spawns output more critters and the surprise boss mob is always a treat.


So, this is my idea: cut the crap with the entertainer modules and all. Keep the HTFB as it is with the exception offour things: increase the area considered the interior of the camp (at the moment, the perimeter of the camp's interior is smaller than the visual border), allow entertainers to heal BF in the HTFB only,(for overt members)remove the convenience fee for buying faction perks at the rank of colonel, and fix the creature/npc aggro bug.


I would be more than glad to compensate an entertainer to tag along while I hunt. Hell, perhaps the entertainer is levelling CH or something. I wouldn't mind a pet tank while I'm hunting.



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ThGilsRooc
Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:07 am
#35

I also don't agree with the notion that BF doesn't affect you unless you're>250. I am a hard-core fighter and 100BF affects me in a noticable way. If I can keep that number down, I'd be estatic. Endor and Yavin rarely see entertainers in those cantinas on Bria. If I can pull an entertainer from Theed with me while I hunt, that entertainer would see more credits in the bank from me than they would get at the chance tip from a passerby combatant in a packed cantina. In short, I would compensate well.



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Lorell
Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:16 am
#36

I think the camps should autoheal BF but it should be at an accelerated rate if an entertainer is present.



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Veustuh
Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:26 am
#37






KaiRaene wrote:


Entertainers can make some money by providing buffs for mind or focus/willpower. Granted they always overcharge but I heavily tip the guy who says, "just tip me what you like. " Entertainers are the only way presently to heal BF and I think it should stay that way.


BF barely affects you til you get past 250 so its not that big a deal. As it is our camps heal everything but BF. That would remove that very tinyperk if you will,the Entertainers have in the first place.


If anything I think fishing should very slowly remove BF. At novice Ent skill perhaps. Not to mention healing BF in a cantina only takes like 5 minutes if you got to a populated area. Everyone is grouped and it just flies off.


To me its a non issue since its barely a hassle to get it healed in the first place.


In the spirit of the Outdoorsman Proposal if the Entertainer Modular setup was enabled then an entertainer could then lower the battlefatigue of players in camp.

Message Edited by KaiRaene on 04-09-2004 08:26 PM





Best way to solve this issue allow for master rangers who make either a field base or high tech camp who have an entertainer with them to be able to heal battle fatigue. Reason being try to find both on a hunt on any given planet on the same server. Though I will say that it would be possible as my main is a master rifleman and ranger 4/4/4/2 (soon to be master) and my alt is a master doctor / master combat medic with the rest of his skill points dumped into entertainer and music 1. With skill tapes and clothes he can heal battle fatigue at the level of a novice musician.



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Fderrr
Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:34 am
#38

I'm ranger 3444 and have novice Entertainer. and i can tell you the I like the idea of of auto heal in camps. not as a way to hurt entertainers, for me its when exploring. there are times when i have wound and BF building up. and am im the middle of nowhere. I usually set a camp and just have my char danseafk to heal then let me time out. This usually heals me up. The reason i do this is that i only play for about an hour at a time, and play ranger because it does not require me heading back to town everyday to heal up. if a camp only has Novice entertainer the entertainers will only loose the business of rangers... takes way to long to heal BF as a Novice entertainers, not worth the time if hunting as a group. Only way it is worth it is if an entertainer is in the group allong with the hunt, which actually improves the entertainer profession.


I hunt with a Combat medic and they have the ability to Stim Minds, at a cost of secondary mind wounds. and having an entertainer in a hunting group with a combat medic REALLY helps.


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