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Thread: Harvesting bonuses, a couple of weeks in.
) formula is H = F (Hm+1)/100, yet you said that a master rangers multiplier would be more than two. Now, for a master ranger Hm=160, therefore the multiplier is (160+1)/100=1.61, and boosted by 20% for grouping gives 1.61*1.2=1.93. Similarly for a xx4x scout, Hm=45, so the multiplier would be (45+1)/100 = 0.46, boosted by 40% gives 0.46*1.4=0.64.Message Edited by DaveG on 03-18-2005 05:38 AM
Anyway that's how Understood the formulas mentioned here. Oh and by the way, since when do we try to stay On Topic here? I thought thread hijacking was a ranger virtue.
Message Edited by Tarnak_Archvold on 03-18-2005 07:48 AM
Ymegaar wrote:
Lads, not to sound too cheeky, being the new guy an all. BUT FOR THE LOVE OF WHICH EVER DEITY YOU LIKE GET OUTSIDE AND GET SOME DAYLIGHT!
But I just spent an hour on Tatooine today, getting the Endor painting, and starting the new story line.
Ymegaar wrote:
Lads, not to sound too cheeky, being the new guy an all. BUT FOR THE LOVE OF WHICH EVER DEITY YOU LIKE GET OUTSIDE AND GET SOME DAYLIGHT!
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DaveG wrote:
Okay, I stopped worrying about where it came from (force of habbit, I was doing a PhD in mathematical physics before my health failed me), and just tried using it.
So, I'm hoping youcould clarify something for me please. Your (both of you
I put this back into my original calculations, as Obata suggested, and I get a ratio of 0.33 (one d.p. different to what I had before). In words, the scout's harvesting mutiplier is 33% of that of the master rangers, yet the scout harvested 79% of what the ranger harvested.
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Message Edited by DaveG on 03-18-2005 05:38 AM
Check again Dave. It's F(1+hm/100). Also, isn't a master ranger's harvesting mod +150? As I understood it, they increased the bonus in the master ranger box from +10 to +60, making the new total +150 (unless you're a trandoshan). Also keep in mind that veghash gets added directly to hm, but the grouping bonus is applied at the end. Also, as far as I know, the grouping bonus does not work with harvesting droids. So, if you were using a droid, then you were not getting the 20% bonus.
Obata,
No droids and no veghash were used.
Obata wrote:
It's F(1+hm/100).
Not according to your thread about the formula. According to that thread, the amount harvested is F((1+Hm)/100), but the harvesting modifier is ((1+Hm)/100). Now since my friend and I were harvesting the same thing from the same creature, not withstanding the small variation fat or skinny, we can assume F was constant anyway.
What I shall do though is have a go at replicating the test when my friend is on again.
Well I was sure it's 160, but even if you're right and it's 150 (I'm wookiee not trando), that still wouldn't account for the discrepency in the ratio's. It'd give me an unmodified multipler of 1.51, then boosted by 20% makes it 1.82. Which gives an overal ratio of scout to ranger 0.35.
Obata wrote:
Also, isn't a master ranger's harvesting mod +150? As I understood it, they increased the bonus in the master ranger box from +10 to +60, making the new total +150 (unless you're a trandoshan).
Message Edited by DaveG on 03-18-2005 04:56 PM
DaveG wrote:
Obata,
No droids and no veghash were used.
Obata wrote:
It's F(1+hm/100).
Not according to your thread about the formula. According to that thread, the amount harvested is F((1+Hm)/100), but the harvesting modifier is ((1+Hm)/100). Now since my friend and I were harvesting the same thing from the same creature, not withstanding the small variation fat or skinny, we can assume F was constant anyway.
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I have no idea where you got the other set of parenthesis.
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Obata wrote:
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Harvested amount = F*(1+hm/100)
I have no idea where you got the other set of parenthesis.
DaveG wrote:
Obata wrote:
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Harvested amount = F*(1+hm/100)
I have no idea where you got the other set of parenthesis.
I think that might explain the problem actually. I wasn't sure if you meant 1+(Hm/100) or (1+Hm)/100, (1+Hm/100) could have meant either (said through experience of marking countless homework assignments). I see it's the former now, and that would explain the discrepencies.
DaveG wrote:
Obata wrote:
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Harvested amount = F*(1+hm/100)
I have no idea where you got the other set of parenthesis.
I think that might explain the problem actually. I wasn't sure if you meant 1+(Hm/100) or (1+Hm)/100, (1+Hm/100) could have meant either (said through experience of marking countless homework assignments). I see it's the former now, and that would explain the discrepencies.
So, let's work this through again...
I'll take 150 for MR, but I'm still not sure about that. Multiplier for MR is 2.5, Multiplier for Scout is 1.45. Scale up for bonuses 2.5*1.2=3, 1.45*1.4=2.03. So, 2.03/3=0.68.
So, when grouped, the scout's harvesting multiplier was 68% of the master ranger's, yet the scout harvestd 79% of what the master ranger harvested. Still 11% to account for then.
OK, looking at your original numbers and having a bit of fun with it (i.e. multiplying in a different order to the norm):
Original numbers: 115 units / 145 units = 0.79
Harvesting mods: (145/250) = 0.58
Discrepancy: 0.79 / 0.58 = 1.36
My guess is that you didn't get the harvesting bonus for some reason.
Another option:
Harvesting mod with scout using +30 veghash: (145 + 30) / 250 = 0.7
Add in the group bonuses: 0.7 * 1.4 / 1.2 = .817
I could probably come up with others but I have other stuff to do now. As for the discrepancies on the order of a few percent, those could be rounding effects somewhere in the code.
Has the grouping bonus encouraged you to group more?
No, because I'm a lone player by nature, but it's made me feel like I *can* finally group with friends again, which is nice.
If you are a master ranger, do you only feel inclined to group with other master rangers?
Not in the least.
Quite a bit yes.
--- If you are a master ranger, do you only feel inclined to group with other master rangers?
I prefer to hunt with another Master Ranger due to the Harvesting bonus. I've hunted with as many as 4 other Master Rangers in the Group.