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Thread: Revised harvesting changes..
NerfBurger wrote:
JascoSmlee wrote:Yep, if this is the case then it definitely needs addressing. Either give us the 40% bonus too (which I initially assumed we would get anyway) or increase our Master box harvesting skill mod by +5 or +10. Make our spent skill points more worthwhile!
NerfBurger wrote:The fact that a 0040 Ranger will outharvest a Master when grouped together is crazy!Message Edited by JascoSmlee on 02-21-2005 09:33 AM
From testing done tonight:
Merek Harvester, Endor, All Results from a single wild lair, All Fat and Healthy
Group included Master Ranger, Ranger with Tracking 4(Tracker), Novice Ranger, Master Scout, Scout with Hunting 4(Hunter)Units of meat harvested grouped
Master Ranger = 366
Tracker = 374
Novice Ranger = 305
Master Scout = 295
Hunter = 285Units of meat harvested solo
Master Ranger = 282
Tracker = 267
Novice Ranger = 218
Master Scout = 210
Hunter = 204As you can see the 0040 Ranger (Tracker) harvest quite a bit more then the Master Ranger when grouped with him.
The fact that we all harvested more then the Master Ranger did solo really shocked me though
Eeep!
In no way, shape or form should anyone be able to harvest more than a solo Master Ranger when they are grouped
I'm sorry but that's just unacceptable and it makes no sense either. Both from an economic and gameplay PoV.
Oku Kee'lus
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
4. Last but not least, the whole sentence is a question from me to all. This indicates also that I'm open to listen to responses and other opinions You hower read it as "So in fact a lot of other professions "want" this, no matter what the Ranger community wants!" (notice the end of the sentence). Don't start reading something that isn't there. Based on this "!" you read, your whole essay was based.
Hate to nitpick, but I AM an english major. The question mark was tied to the first part of your sentance, the part BEFORE the comma. The use of a question mark was based on "So in fact a lot of other professions want this".You used "so" as the question. The part of the sentance that I was objecting to was "no matter what the Ranger community wants". There was no question mark associated with that part of the sentance. You assumed that the Ranger community wants one thing, and you also assumed that we would object to this.
Please don't tell me how I read something, for future referance. You can ask me how I read it, if it would make you feel better. But when you tell me how I read something, it's really disrespectful. Especially when you don't even understand what I was objecting to. You could have put any punctuation you wanted at the end of that "no matter what the Ranger community wants" statement and I would have objected to it. Please, refrain from telling me what I meant or how I read something. I know what I mean, I know how I read something.You don't.
1. DaveG and I maybe the most vocal ones, but if it wasn't for DaveG to start with, no one would have read and done testing cause all they assumed was that the 40% bonus would be applied to the MR too. So instead of accusing us of being loud and outspoken, you might consider thanking DaveG for pointing it out and getting a clarification from Owen followed by a rectification from Tiggs which set this all in motion.
darianne, before you go telling everyone of how we should all be thanking dave, perhaps you should do some fact-checking.
AragornSoS wrote:
Owen, this may be a silly question, but how exactly does the 30% / 40% bonus work for US? If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)? Or is the "be within 64m of someone" requirement going to be there even for us, so we still have to be within 64m of SOMEONE else in the group to get the 40% bonus (even tho we're the one who convey that extra 20% of bonus to the group)??? I'm not trying to promote "Ranger Solo Groups" or anything where we all group then go our merry way, but I'm curious how the bonus will be applied to the Ranger, who is always within 64m of him or her self.
Guess that, along with checking for the bonus grouping w/a droid or a pet, will be part of testing on TC-Gorath, eh....?
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 02-21-2005 04:13 PM
Message Edited by darmokVtS on 02-21-2005 10:29 PM
Phenix1050 wrote:
1. DaveG and I maybe the most vocal ones, but if it wasn't for DaveG to start with, no one would have read and done testing cause all they assumed was that the 40% bonus would be applied to the MR too. So instead of accusing us of being loud and outspoken, you might consider thanking DaveG for pointing it out and getting a clarification from Owen followed by a rectification from Tiggs which set this all in motion.
darianne, before you go telling everyone of how we should all be thanking dave, perhaps you should do some fact-checking.
AragornSoS wrote:
Owen, this may be a silly question, but how exactly does the 30% / 40% bonus work for US? If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)? Or is the "be within 64m of someone" requirement going to be there even for us, so we still have to be within 64m of SOMEONE else in the group to get the 40% bonus (even tho we're the one who convey that extra 20% of bonus to the group)??? I'm not trying to promote "Ranger Solo Groups" or anything where we all group then go our merry way, but I'm curious how the bonus will be applied to the Ranger, who is always within 64m of him or her self.
Guess that, along with checking for the bonus grouping w/a droid or a pet, will be part of testing on TC-Gorath, eh....?
As you can see, it was ARAGORN who raised this issue, not Dave. THIS was the post that gotOwen to respond, and Tiggs to correct. The funny thing is that you're telling ME to go backand check, when it's clear that you didn't do it yourself. You really shouldn't take a tone thatmakes you seem like you know everything, especially when you provide false information. It's not a big deal, since we're all happy that this issue came into the light, but before you go telling people something and using it as a fact, you should at least get your story right.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 02-21-2005 04:13 PM
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DesktopSaki wrote:
That'd be nice, if we got the 40% for grouping with our droid. I have the feeling that pets/droids will not count, though, or else what's the point? Might as well just give everyone a 20% bonus off the bat.
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You can say "what's the point" anyway because people will be doing this with solo-groups anyway.
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[Quote DaveG]
Any word on if this works by grouping with droids/pets or not?
I strongly feel there is a better argument for just removing the penalty and having no bonus, rather than how the purposed change is now. Those of us who like to hunt independantly are effectively being penalised 20% to 40% with this change.
I know SWG is a MMORPG, and people want to emphasise the MM part, but they do so at the cost of the RP part.
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THEN the quote you mentioned from Argorn comes.
Maybe DaveG did not say it directly, but it was his inderect hinting at it, also thanks to DesktopSaki's response that Aragorn started thinking. So if someone needs to be thanked it;s DesktopSaki.
Message Edited by Dariane_Kamutsovy on 02-21-2005 10:44 PM
Phenix1050 wrote:
1. DaveG and I maybe the most vocal ones, but if it wasn't for DaveG to start with, no one would have read and done testing cause all they assumed was that the 40% bonus would be applied to the MR too. So instead of accusing us of being loud and outspoken, you might consider thanking DaveG for pointing it out and getting a clarification from Owen followed by a rectification from Tiggs which set this all in motion.
darianne, before you go telling everyone of how we should all be thanking dave, perhaps you should do some fact-checking.
AragornSoS wrote:
Owen, this may be a silly question, but how exactly does the 30% / 40% bonus work for US? If I'm already a Master Ranger, and I'm grouped, does that mean I always pull 40% bonus since I'm within 64m of the Master Ranger in the group (me)? Or is the "be within 64m of someone" requirement going to be there even for us, so we still have to be within 64m of SOMEONE else in the group to get the 40% bonus (even tho we're the one who convey that extra 20% of bonus to the group)??? I'm not trying to promote "Ranger Solo Groups" or anything where we all group then go our merry way, but I'm curious how the bonus will be applied to the Ranger, who is always within 64m of him or her self.
Guess that, along with checking for the bonus grouping w/a droid or a pet, will be part of testing on TC-Gorath, eh....?
As you can see, it was ARAGORN who raised this issue, not Dave. THIS was the post that gotOwen to respond, and Tiggs to correct. The funny thing is that you're telling ME to go backand check, when it's clear that you didn't do it yourself. You really shouldn't take a tone thatmakes you seem like you know everything, especially when you provide false information. It's not a big deal, since we're all happy that this issue came into the light, but before you go telling people something and using it as a fact, you should at least get your story right.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 02-21-2005 04:13 PM
Yup. Lil ole me. Who would have thought that what *I* thought was such a minor, simple question, would help to spark such a debate (or at least fan the flames even more).
And I'll answer to Aragorn, Dek, Dekiion, Hey You!, or just about anything else too. I always confuse myself now since myforum logon isn't my in-game name for my primary char... 
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:1. DaveG and I maybe the most vocal ones, but if it wasn't for DaveG to start with, no one would have read and done testing cause all they assumed was that the 40% bonus would be applied to the MR too. So instead of accusing us of being loud and outspoken, you might consider thanking DaveG for pointing it out and getting a clarification from Owen followed by a rectification from Tiggs which set this all in motion.
I hate to get off topic (and this ego stroking is delusional and unproductive), but something needs to be pointed out here.. (apologies to AragornSOS or anyone else as to who raised what question)
What you wrote, and I highlighted in green, is simply untrue. Testing was already being done during the first revision of this change.(20% bonus for any grouping.)
Unfortunately, it was put in the patch notes, but not actually active, so we didn't come up with numbers.
Lots of people tested this during the second revision (+20% grouped, 30% with ranger, 40% with MR) as well. Not because of what any one person found out or had clarified by Tiggs, but because the latest patches are constantly being tested on TC by many people who aren't even active on these forums. (With 3 characters per account, and most have multiple accounts. There are lots of rangers/scouts on TC, not to mention Thortac's guild of test center rangers)
Almagill wrote:
(To reference Obata, now, can anyone tell what I do for a living, lol)
are you Deepak Chopra? or Oprah? or Dr. Phil?
Phenix1050 wrote:
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:So in fact a lot of other professions "want" this, no matter what the Ranger community wants?A lot of the Ranger community DOES want this. A lot of people have said they're happy that we're getting love. The biggest issue people seem to have with this is that an 0040 Ranger will out-harvest a MR when grouped. You and Dave are the most vocal about this, but that doesn't mean your opinions represent those of the community. This isn't about "us" vs. "them". This is about what is good for the game. Most other professions believe this change would be good for the game. A lot of Rangers think this would be good for the game. From what I've seen, you and dave are in the minority, even among the Rangers.But let's just assume it's 50/50. I'm not saying you don't have a right to an opinion, but I'd appreciate it if you stopped making statements like "what the Ranger community wants" when there isn't one specific view on what Rangers want. Assuming that your opinion is what most people feel isn't going to help anyone.
Think it's time for an unofficial Poll?
After 14 pages, I've completely lost who's for and against what... "this change" isn't specific enough, there are several changes and half the time it looks like everyone's saying the same thing but fighting about the words they use to say it. (OT) This is as bad as a saying one of the titles defines your whole profession (master hunter/tracker/recon/etc) I say remove titles from the game and let people figure out what you do by your clothes and let your bio be your business card /duck
1: Group bonus just for grouping: Yes/No No, other benefits of grouping without the need for this. 1+1=5 already, it doesn't need to be 1+1=7
2: Bonus to others with MS+ within 64m: Y/N Yes, at a sufficiently high skill, we can teach others to do better and a MS might have seen a thing or two a ranger might not have (I spent all my time on Dath, he spent all his time on Yavin).
3: Bonus to self: Y/N No bonus unless the other is MS+, just make sure the bonuses don't let a grouped anything outharvest a solo anything (same creature, concentration, killed in same timeframe, same veghash, same droid)
Almagill wrote:
Sometimes, when you are fighting like cats in a bag, you have to remember you are all cats together and somebody else is holding the bag.
(To reference Obata, now, can anyone tell what I do for a living, lol)
A cat handler?
Philosophy major?
