Ranger Archive
Thread: MAD Jedi
WildBil2Me wrote:
I really have come to expect no less from that forum.
Just wait til we see our "Revamp" they'll find something about us to complain about.
Oh, they didn't need to wait. The moment they heard about the stealth abilities, and how the devs were going to use one codeset for all stealth related abilities (including Jedi Cloak), and how said abilities would have a snare to movement, there was a great to-do about it. They've been distracted for the moment because of the current train-wreck over there, but as the changes hit TC (whenever that may be), I expect the squealing to recommence in full force.
Yup i cant wait. Ive been packing my tent and barrels of petrol to camp out and ignite the flames once the ranger revamp hits TC.
Just you guys wait until you see my 'accidental' ranger stealth gloatfeedback posts in the jedi forums. Fun times will be had by all.
Owen-Lars wrote:
Yup i cant wait. Ive been packing my tent and barrels of petrol to camp out and ignite the flames once the ranger revamp hits TC.
Just you guys wait until you see my 'accidental' ranger stealth
gloatfeedback posts in the jedi forums. Fun times will be had by all.
Phenix1050 wrote:
while at first I did get a kick out of watching these people get all worked up over GarVa's post, at this point, it's just getting depressing. It's gone past the point of hairbrained foolishness like "the devs hate Jedi" and gone to personal attacks on the Developers, the Community Relations staff and the Mods and that to me is just indicative of such a juvanile state of mind. Oh yes, lets'call Tiggs names when she posts here and then complain about how there never seems to be any interaction with this community.
I thought that SWG would appeal to a more mature fan-base, considering the age of the OT, and would engender a sense of awe such as I felt when I first saw the movies. Unfortunately, SWG, like the Star Wars licence in general, has gone past the idea of nobility and heroic actions that the OT delivered, and just focused on he "phat" lightsaber battles and cool moves. Like the most recent movies, the game is more about the younger audience, not the original fans.
I was enjoying myself reading the posts, but I had to catch myself from wanting to set some of them straight so many times that it just got old. I can usually tollerate the Jedi forums, but these past couple of days have put a damper on the game as a whole for me. I mean...these are the people that inhabit our servers. This is who the game appears to be for...and they don't even appreciate it. Makes me glad to be a Ranger, but it also makes me very nostalgic for the days when there were fewer children with lightsabers running around.
I agree with you most of you said. However, as we all know there are jedeye/jeteye/jebay and Jedi.
Of the latter ones, you cannot see they act like children. Most of them don't even like their own community. And, if you filter them out, you'd notice they do have a sense of humor as well as valid points when it comes to issues with the Jedi profession.
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:I agree with you most of you said. However, as we all know there are jedeye/jeteye/jebay and Jedi.
Of the latter ones, you cannot see they act like children. Most of them don't even like their own community. And, if you filter them out, you'd notice they do have a sense of humor as well as valid points when it comes to issues with the Jedi profession.
Thank you Dariane. I know like 4 jedi on my server that are up to the caliber of people in the Ranger forums, there might be as many as 10. Before the terminals didn't have names on them, the number of different names listed was over 350. I'd expect that number to be easily double now.
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
Phenix1050 wrote:
while at first I did get a kick out of watching these people get all worked up over GarVa's post, at this point, it's just getting depressing. It's gone past the point of hairbrained foolishness like "the devs hate Jedi" and gone to personal attacks on the Developers, the Community Relations staff and the Mods and that to me is just indicative of such a juvanile state of mind. Oh yes, lets'call Tiggs names when she posts here and then complain about how there never seems to be any interaction with this community.
I thought that SWG would appeal to a more mature fan-base, considering the age of the OT, and would engender a sense of awe such as I felt when I first saw the movies. Unfortunately, SWG, like the Star Wars licence in general, has gone past the idea of nobility and heroic actions that the OT delivered, and just focused on he "phat" lightsaber battles and cool moves. Like the most recent movies, the game is more about the younger audience, not the original fans.
I was enjoying myself reading the posts, but I had to catch myself from wanting to set some of them straight so many times that it just got old. I can usually tollerate the Jedi forums, but these past couple of days have put a damper on the game as a whole for me. I mean...these are the people that inhabit our servers. This is who the game appears to be for...and they don't even appreciate it. Makes me glad to be a Ranger, but it also makes me very nostalgic for the days when there were fewer children with lightsabers running around.
I agree with you most of you said. However, as we all know there are jedeye/jeteye/jebay and Jedi.
Of the latter ones, you cannot see they act like children. Most of them don't even like their own community. And, if you filter them out, you'd notice they do have a sense of humor as well as valid points when it comes to issues with the Jedi profession.
GothKasbun wrote:
go look in at the Jedi forum WOW those people are pissed
Jedi are always pissed off. Not all fo them....just the vast majority
SioBabble wrote:
Well, if we're going to talk things in the movies that can't happen in the games...
Luke with two droids out. Obviously an exploit.
Well, as CH you can have a pet + droid out... Maybe Luke was a CH too...
If you consider C3PO a pet too
Luke stores his lightsaber in a droid. Another exploit.
Sabers can be stored in the bank....
I sure wish I could manuver my YT-1300 the way Han does the Millenium Falcon in that astroid field in ESB.
Don't have a YT-1300 yet, but i wonder if it would withstand so many attacks as well...
But back on topic, yeah, the kiddies are just jumping up and down and screaming, and it's all about two things: the change in Avoid Incap and the snares, and they've got a point on the snares. The change discussedwas to avoid the very result that we've got in game now, except it applies to ALL melee profs and makes them very vulnerable to kiting, which the devs had previously gone out of their way, to ridiculous extremes, to try to prevent.
Snare is an issue, AI as well... AI was already tuned down to have a snare when it was active... but (see further ) ...
One thing the CU actually got right was taking damage away from melee and giving that to ranged, so that melee became the tanks (and to some extent, the professions that laid on states) and ranged became the damage dealers, with an appropriately lower defenses.
Jedi-Defender = TANK. Without AI or the current AI implementation, the defender in TANK function has become useless... With AI on, the aggro goes to a weaker member. So what's the use of AI then? With it, you cannot RUN away (snare implementation) and only try to prevent the inevitable: dying and you are useless to any team mates for being a tank. Without... ... not much difference there. So what would the use be for becomeing Master Defender now?
Meanwhile, the BHs are up in arms not because they've got tools (with some carbines) to snare the heck out of their Jedi prey, but that the new AI for PvE mobs is so wildly out of balance now, making things that should be tough, but soloable, impossible to solo. The devs seem to have forgotten that BH is, by design, a solo profession.
As should Jedi. But then again... After CU... EVERYTHING was planned for groups. You only now see the results of that: complete inbalance. Not just BH... Jedi too. Only Jedi came to that conclusion *before* BHs because of their solitude gameplay was hampered immediately after the CU.
I unlocked after CU as well and started Jedi... It's HARD! Not undoable, but HARD. I don't mind doing things alone, but when you get interrupted by people driving into you (giving vis), or getting surrounded by 3 squadrons of NPC stormies... You'll scratch your head too, asking how the hell you are going to do it without getting Vis.
For the record: have been without a visit from any BH (still!) for 2 months now. And I'm halfway thru with my Jedi skills.
oh, I give credit where credit is due. There are a lot of mature Jedi on the Jedi forums, and even the less-than-mature ones have a point when it comes to snares. It certainly does not seem fair, coming from a ranged combat profession. I can understand the desire not to have snares stack, and not to have movement speed buffs stack, but certainly one should not auto-cancel the other. Snares now becoming much too powerful, and that's not good for anybody.
I don't deny that they have a point, but it's how they go about it that is so frustrating. What possible good could a thread with a couple of thousand of responces to GarVa do, when alot of (if not the majority of) the posts are personal attacks? Others in the same thread complain about the lack of communitcation in the same paragraph that they call the developers idiots. That's like biting the hand that feeds you...and then not being smart enough to realize why that hand might not want to come back.
As far as the OT-to-SWG thing goes, I think that it's clear that they've lost sight of the OT. I mean, I don't know about you but I joined this game for one reason-- The Galactic Civil War. Oh goodness that sounded like so much fun. The idea of a persistant galaxy at war, and being able to play an everyday person living in that was just so cool. I loved the idea of being a Ranger then too-- a hunter by trade, who honed his skills into a military role. I finally get to RP that even bettter in the upcoming revamp (if you assume that Scout= hunter, it works).
But somewhere along the line, they lost sight of that. We all know that marketing is apowerful force, and obviously that's true in SWG, where every expansion save one has been centered around the prequels. Okay, good marketing strategy, in terms of gathering new customers. I will not deny that. But what SOE seems to be doing is leap-frogging from short-term gain to short-term gain. While this certainly is one way to go about it, what little I know of economics suggest that the cost/benefit ratio of such ventures is much smaller in the long run. Certainly, the months after you release a tie-in, you will see a spike in profits. But in the long term, focusing on the here today, gone tommorrow customers will only ensure that you have more cusomers going "gone".
A game like WoW is an example of a game that focuses on the long term. No movie tie-ins, yet the GAMEPLAY delivers. That's the most important factor, and they do it very well. If SOE was to focus more fully on the long-term, I belive the CU never would have went live in the current state. That was a product of marketing, and while the opportunity costs of building a better combat system are high, the potential long-term gain of having more customers each month is a greater benefit than the very marginal number of people who would buy the RoTW expansion because it also was tied to a new combat system
Well put Phenix, as usual.
I share in the concerns of the Jedi community, but the childishness in there is getting out of hand.