Ranger Archive

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BadMisterFrosty wrote:

As a preface, congratulation to the »enhancment«. Its was sorely needed.

Unfortunately, the original design of professions placed them very close together so the main job of the developers probably was to divide the professions in order to make them unqiue (which is great). But with the relocation of Ranger skills to the Scout tree, the name »Ranger« is no longer adequate and confusing, especially to new players.

I am aware that a name people have sticked to for a long time is important as an absolute term which also probably donated a good deal of identification. However, do you think it would be better to rename Ranger to something that does not lead new players astray, maybe sound even better and avoid that the now empty word Ranger is filled with the (in my opinion) wrong connotation of thiefs and rouges?

I would suggest Infiltrator, Spec-Ops or Spy. What do you think?

(please do not flame, I know that might be a sensitive area, its just a discussion and even though I am in lightblue, I am speaking as a player)

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Actually I think it's only confusing to old players who used to see Ranger as it was implemented... in a non-Star Wars way.

I don't think Ranger is a confusing name for a rogue/stealth profession in a MMORPG. That's the way it is in any other game

We're just the Star Wars-version

Why not Marine?

Any name but Ranger. Call it Infiltrator, Spy, Rogue, Hitman, Bad Guy, what ever you want, but not Ranger.

This is no profession change, it's a new profession and Ranger is being removed from the game. So remove the name too please.

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Eszra wrote:

Any name but Ranger. Call it Infiltrator, Spy, Rogue, Hitman, Bad Guy, what ever you want, but not Ranger.

This is no profession change, it's a new profession and Ranger is being removed from the game. So remove the name too please.

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Keep Ranger. Let people adjust to the fact that we're not old hermits that live in the woods throwing pdarts at our prey and running away like rodians until we harvest and loot what we find. Or that we're not a novelty that drops into town for what we need, and if we pvp, die instantly.

Let the name adjust so that we're seen as Rangers. The ultimate hunter of animals in the wild and stealth/guerilla tactics in the world. Make the name respectable by leaving it the same, not pitied, as the respect it usually gets is coupled with these days.

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Phenix1050 wrote:

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Eszra wrote:

Any name but Ranger. Call it Infiltrator, Spy, Rogue, Hitman, Bad Guy, what ever you want, but not Ranger.

This is no profession change, it's a new profession and Ranger is being removed from the game. So remove the name too please.

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The limited, creature-centric role has NOT been removed. It's just been put into scout. Ranger in a Star Wars game should reflect the Star Wars lore. Antarian Rangers, Imperial Sector Rangers. You see infiltrator, spy, rogue, hitman, bad guy in those names? No. You see the word RANGER. This is what a Star Wars Ranger should have been, although I would have kept some of our wilderness-centric stuff (foraging, camping and tracking).

But in the end, it's just a danged name people. Call me a Master Moron, I really don't care, the profession skills look fun and exciting.

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Yes - you are right of course... maybe I'm just shocked, I don't know...

For me, Ranger means hunter, not "Special Unit". I just looked around a bit and I found this:

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ranger 1388, "gameskeeper," fromrange (n.)). Attested from 1670 in sense of "man (often mounted) who polices an area." Modern military sense of "member of an elite U.S. combat unit" is attested from 1942 (organized 1941).

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Seems I got stuck in 1388

Message Edited by Eszra on 09-18-2005 08:15 PM

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Eszra wrote:

For me, Ranger means hunter, not "Special Unit". I just looked around a bit and I found this:

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ranger 1388, "gameskeeper," fromrange (n.)). Attested from 1670 in sense of "man (often mounted) who polices an area." Modern military sense of "member of an elite U.S. combat unit" is attested from 1942 (organized 1941).

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Seems I got stuck in 1388

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Some posters are REALLY starting to irritate me on this new change. "The hunting stuff is going to scout. Ranger is military now. Go scout if you want to hunt." type posts are ticking me off 100%. You are basically saying "Well, we're taking away everything about this profession and giving it to another. Who cares that you played it this way for 2+ years, move to the other profession."

Its like dropping jedi skills into the FS trees and saying 'Adjust.' Its ignorant and disrespectful of anyone to tell someone to like it or get over it when everything they loved about a profession is taken away, given to other professions, and a new pvp spirited profession put in its place. You should know better, but you don't because you are one of those FOTM, want-to-be-uber, more concerned about skills and loot rather than content, pvp twits.

Devs turned ranger away from content and gave us a violent kick in the back end towards pvp and people want us to take it with a smile. New flash, jedi grinding and pvp is not what drives everyone in this game. And many of the non-jedi grinding, non-pvp people WERE in the ranger community.

Raz-

Pathfinder? Combat Scout? Light Recon SPecialist? heheh

I dont mind Ranger tho. People will get used to it. Its actually refreshing to see a non-Aragorn Ranger class. They most certainly DO need to change the tier 4 Titles tho.

Im just a little aggrivated that our uber harvesting, what made us unique in the past, is being put into scout. Mastering scout took me around 2 weeks, maybe, and now people are gonna be as good as a ranger was just by getting master scout. kinda sucky. I love the new ranger revamp, but a little scared that the ranger description didn't directly say anything about combat skill mods or abilities, but the stealth stuff is awsome! Also, I think there should be a master Ranger weapon, like the Master Combat Medic Pistol (I dunno if that's still around though...) Something like a harpoon rifle or somethin.... I dunno, that was just the first thing that came to mind.

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Ewockiee wrote:
Im just a little aggrivated that our uber harvesting, what made us unique in the past, is being put into scout. Mastering scout took me around 2 weeks, maybe, and now people are gonna be as good as a ranger was just by getting master scout. kinda sucky. I love the new ranger revamp, but a little scared that the ranger description didn't directly say anything about combat skill mods or abilities, but the stealth stuff is awsome! Also, I think there should be a master Ranger weapon, like the Master Combat Medic Pistol (I dunno if that's still around though...) Something like a harpoon rifle or somethin.... I dunno, that was just the first thing that came to mind.

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harvesting is being changed to reflect the game as a whole. Remember the fact that there was a Miner profession in the game. Ranger was essentially the creature version of that. Now, like mining, harvesting has become an easy to get thing to drop prices all around. Sounds okay to me.

But Helios did say that right now, we're slated to get combat mods, the numbers just haven't been finalized.

Ok, ok - now that's enough. It saddens me to see what was one of the more mature, reasonable and fun forums in this game descend into a slagging match. Please stop now.

I'm not going to start pointing fingers, but I will make a couple of points for all sides to consider.

1. The people who wanted the creature centric (or wilderness centric) role for Ranger will still have a greviance, even if all the current ranger skill moved to scout. Please remember they did not want to remain at the status quo. They wanted skill improvements. Ok, they can round out their template with the freed up skill-points, but the effective relegation of their profession from elite to startercan be taken asinsult.