Ranger Archive
Thread: Hawkeyed NPC's
etyep55:
- Thank you for your "input".
- Might I suggest adding a quote next time, so we know who you are directing that too? 
So in a nutshell, Rangers would expect that
1) their /conceal ability should give them a chance tohide them from all NPCs, regardless of exisiting faction. After all, if they can't see me, howcan they tell that they hate me?
2) if a normally non-agro NPC does "see past" the /conceal, itdoesn't break the /conceal nordoes it piss him off. "Hey look, it's Bob the Ranger in those bushes over there. Hey Bob, what's that **edit** on your face?"
3) if a normally agro NPC (i.e. red on the radar) sees past the /conceal, it is broken and the NPC agros. "There's that dickhead Bob the Ranger, I hate him. I'm gonna clean his clock this time."
4) if anormally agro NPC (i.e. red on the radar) sees past the /conceal AND has friends of any type (yellow or red), the NPC and buddies he can get to help him out jump the ranger. After all, whether the individual NPCs liek you or not doesn't matter much when mob mentality kicks in. "There's that dickhead Bob the Ranger again, let's get him boys!!"
"if a normally non-agro NPC does "see past" the /conceal, itdoesn't break the /conceal nordoes it piss him off."
- This is the largest issue I have read on the forums regarding /conceal.
"if a normally agro NPC (i.e. red on the radar) sees past the /conceal, it is broken and the NPC agros."
- As long as we are in its regular attack radius. I don't want to a NPC to aggro on me from 60m, if it would not normally do so, simply because I am concealed.
"if anormally agro NPC (i.e. red on the radar) sees past the /conceal AND has friends of any type (yellow or red), the NPC and buddies he can get to help him out jump the ranger."
- Fine with me. I'd expect NPCs to be smart enough to point out the concealed player if one notices you.
(I can't believe "dickhead" makes it through the profanity filter and n-i-p doesn't 
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NRaas wrote:
"if a normally agro NPC (i.e. red on the radar) sees past the /conceal, it is broken and the NPC agros."
- As long as we are in its regular attack radius. I don't want to a NPC to aggro on me from 60m, if it would not normally do so, simply because I am concealed.
(I can't believe "dickhead" makes it through the profanity filter and n-i-p doesn't )
I agree on the attack radius. The problem is that is where the check is being made (at approx. 60 m) so if an agro flag is going to be set, it's going to be set then. The actual agro check, i.e. you are not concealed or hidden at all, actually occurs far closer than 60m so we are used to being able to "skirt around" red agros NPCs and creatures. To fix this, the /conceal and /maskscent checks ought to be moved to the same radius as the normal agro check and performed at the same time.
I was surprised that word made it through too, I actually didn't intend for it to do so. I was looking for an exemplative that I knew would get replaced and I picked wrong.
And g o o k was the word that actually did get edited, go figure. 
"To fix this, the /conceal and /maskscent checks ought to be moved to the same radius as the normal agro check and performed at the same time."
- Agreed. Since this value changes based on the type of animal, it is much preferable to the always at 60m solution that is currently being used.
Update to the Jawa Faction test:
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- Jawa's (+5000 faction): Conceal works 100% of the time, but means nothing since they dont attack me anyway.
- Jawa Protectors, red(+5000 faction?): Conceal works 86% of the time, provokes attack 100% ofbreaks despite my +5000 Jawa faction!? Otherwise acceptable effectiveness...
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I found a battle raging between Tusken Raiders and a broken Sandcrawler full of all variety of Jawa, Jawa Defender, Jawa Protector and Jawa Avenger.
I assisted (unconcealed) in fending off wave after wave of ruthless Sandpeople only to have the Jawa Defenders, Protectors and Avengers open fire on me after the battle subsided!
What is wrong with this faction system? Does my +5000 Jawa Faction mean nothing?
It is really annoying that something that is agro TO YOU such as any thug appears yellow on radar when they will kill on sight. I can't count the number of times I'mauto-running crafting some new traps and watching my radar only to be attacked by a mob of 5 yellow (non-aggressive) mobs. If I didn't make it a habit of putting my pets on guard, there would be many times I would be dead long before I could get my crafting window closed.
Speaking of Conceal, last night I concealed myself and a group of friends on Dantooine (some with no scout abilities any more) and I was ALWAYS the first to break mask and draw agro, and the Wayfairer/Hunter was the only other one to break mask before we split-up. The almost-Master Doctor with only novice scout and the Master Combat Medic (also no scout abilities) both never broke conceal from what I could tell before we broke-up and went our separate ways.
Ahazi, Dantooine, Bothan Master Ranger, 9/15/03 around 11PM CST, using Orid Dant Berries and last week's flower fruit (before the recent shift)and fresh animal resources.
"It is really annoying that something that is agro TO YOU such as any thug appears yellow on radar when they will kill on sight."
- I agree, and have used /bug to note the issue, though I really have no idea what priority they wouldconsider such a fix.