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Thread: Hawkeyed NPC's
Ok, after nearly a week of testing this, I've come to the conclusion that Conceal absolutely does not work on certain Humanoid factions. In fact, I don't think factions are working correctly at all!
Below is a breakdown of my conceal results vs. Humanoids on Tatooine:
- Alkahara (KoS regardless of +5000 faction): Conceal works 85% of the time, provokes attack 100% of breaks despite my +5000 faction! Acceptable effectiveness, but why am I still attacked on sight with such high standing?!
- Evil Settlers and Evil Hermits (No faction): Conceal works 86% of the time, provokes attack 100% of breaks. Acceptable effectiveness.
- Jabba's Faction, non-Thug(+5000 faction): Conceal works 100% of the time.
- Jabba's Thugs and Thieves (-1714 Thug faction=+4286 Jabba faction?): Conceal works 0% of the time (does not even check against conceal), provokes attack 100% of the time. Factions in this game are confusing me...
- Valarian's Faction, non-Thug(-5000faction): Conceal works 100% of the time, but means nothing since they dont attack me anyway despite my -5000 faction standing!?
- Valarian's Thugs and Thieves(-1714 Thug faction = -6714 Valarian faction?): Conceal works 0% of the time (does not even check against conceal), provokes attack 100% of the time.
- Desert Demon, yellow (-5000 faction): Conceal works 100% of the time, but means nothing since they dont attack me anyway despite my -5000 faction standing!? Did I mention that factions are confusing me in this game?
- Desert Demon, red (-5000 faction): Conceal works 0% of the time (does not even check against conceal), provokes attack 100% of the time.
- Dunestalker, yellow (No faction): Conceal works 100% of the time, but means nothing since they dont attack me anyway.
- Dunestalker, red (No faction): Conceal works 0% of the time (does not even check against conceal), provokes attack 100% of the time.
- Weaquay (No faction): Conceal works 100% of the time, but means nothing since they dont attack me anyway.
- Weaquay Thugs (Thugfaction? -1714): Conceal works 86% of the time, provokes attack 100% of breaks. Acceptable effectiveness.
- Jawa's (+5000 faction): Conceal works 100% of the time, but means nothing since they dont attack me anyway.
- Jawa Protectors, red(+5000 faction?): Conceal works 86% of the time, provokes attack 100% ofbreaks despite my +5000 Jawa faction!? Otherwise acceptable effectiveness...
- Tuskens (-5000 faction): Conceal works 83% of the time, provokes attack 100% of breaks. Acceptable effectiveness.
- Tusken Snipers (-5000 faction): Conceal works 100% of the time, but means nothing since they dont attack me anyway despite my -5000 faction standing!?
Ok, so over all... I am confused!
Does faction even mean anything in this game?
I have come to the conclusion that certain factions will always hate and kill you on sight no matter how good your faction standing is.
I have also found that certain factions are totally immune to conceal (conceal is not checked, it does not give a detected message, and it never breaks against them), namely Jabba's,Valarian's and Desert Demons as well as Dunestalkers (who appear to have no faction), all of which seem to have Thugs in their midst that will attack and kill you despite your standing towards their parent faction.
I do not know if they will still attack you if you have positive Thug faction since I don't want to ruin my Townsperson faction to find out.
Those are my findings. If you dont believe them, feel free to go out and do your own testing. Have fun... I know I did... 
In none of these test did I initiate combat... maybe I should have made that clearer.
This test was soley done to find the effectiveness of Conceal vs Humanoids, but during my test I discovered that it has a 100% fail rate against certain factioned and a non-factioned group
Yes, it appears that it is working properly on many NPC's,but a few Factions (Jabba, Valarian, Desert Demon and Dunestalker) do not even check against it!
Example 1: Grecks smugglers on Corellia. My faction with Greck is -5000. They are kos all the time (yellow on map).
Example 2: Valarians on Tatooine. -5000 faction with them, they will not attack me no matter what.
Example 3 (and this is the one that irks me): Yellow Group of ANY faction that likes me (+2500 and over) with one red in thei midst. Red breaks through conceal, instantly attacks, so of course the ENTIRE group starts blasting at me. URGH!
/end rant
"Grecks smugglers on Corellia. My faction with Greck is -5000. They are kos all the time (yellow on map)."
- I have suggested in a /bug report that any gang member that you have -5000 faction with appear as a (red name) on the map. That would alleviate this issue.
"Valarians on Tatooine. -5000 faction with them, they will not attack me no matter what."
- What is their /consider level? Like low level aggressive critters, they may be so much lower than your level that they flee at the sight of you. 
"Yellow Group of ANY faction that likes me (+2500 and over) with one red in thei midst. Red breaks through conceal, instantly attacks, so of course the ENTIRE group starts blasting at me."
- Yes, the aggressive gang members ignore your faction status entirely.
- And once you attack them, the social assist of the other members kicks in. 
"Does faction even mean anything in this game?"
- From what I've seen, ifa faction memberare aggressive (red name), they will attack you whether you have +5000 faction or not.
- On the other hand, if you have -5000 faction then even the non-aggressives (yellow names) of that faction will attack you on sight.
- It seems that breaking /conceal aggros anything (ignoring faction entirely)
- The solution to this is have only creatures and humanoids that would normally attack you check /conceal.
- I mean... Why do things that wouldn't normally attack you anyways even both checking against your /conceal? It's just plain irritating.
The thing about the social assisting factions thing.. I'm not sure if it happens when i attack (haven't checked yet.. I will though).. Basically, you know how sometimes the red members of the group are either melee or ranged.. I know that when they start shooting at me, I automatically start shooting back which causes the others to aggro (Can we turn off auto-attack-back btw?).. but I'm not sure about the melee guys.. I'll have to check that..
Because if a melee guy runs at me and the yellows follow, then something is weird.. Technically, I'm not attacking
And according to the game, they're supposed to love me! lol
I did not have my gun equiped while I ran this test, so I was not returning fire to aggro the rest of the gang when a red aggro'ed me.
The other social members of a gang seem to follow suit when a red decides to attack unprovoked, you do not have to return fire for them to assist.
I'm sick, pissy, and have a long day ahead. Combat 101, do you have any reading skills ....at all? Idiot, you made a retort to something that wasn't even stated.Projected opinions, and disfiguring someones words is a MAJOR pet peeve of mine. It happens to frequently on the boards here to. Pay attention before wasting anyones time.
well, the 5000 faction to aggressives do work for me. From killing so many swoopers on Corellia, my Desert Demon faction is +5000. So I use them to run through for safety. Yes, even the aggressive ones.
They say things like, "How ya doing, Buddy?" It's kind of nice. Now, maybe I'll see if when I have conceal on, and they break it, if they're still nice to me. Interesting.
I must smell bad or something, cuase even Jabba's Thugs and all the Alkahara Bandits attack me on sight, regardless of my +5000 faction (with or without conceal).
Now with the Jawa Protectors, I only ever tried approaching them with conceal on and I was attacked when it broke. I did not try to approach them unconcealed to see if they would attack me. Maybe I should have, but it was the first time I'd seen them before and I was being alittle too cautious and appearently botch my test with regards to that faction! 
I have laid bare my faction standings... can any see a reason why Iam stillKoS to groups I should be best buds with?...