Ranger Archive
Thread: grinding camping (whatever it's called)
BanthasBreeder
Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:43 am
#14
Well... it's only that your question was a bit weird: as a Ranger you usually find your inventory full of resources and you don't really want to buy anymore!
Try to relax: fast grinding can be ok if you already know a profession but, if it's your first time, take your time to KNOW YOUR PROFESSION. I've noticed that faster grinders are not always the best and happiest players 
Becoming a Ranger could be very funny, you don't need to hurry up.
btw I'm on Chimaera too, if you need help (not resources, I'm sorry but I won't sell a sigle unit of bone to another Ranger ;-) send me a mail.
Ermion
Master Burstrunner
Fisherman
Tracker
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:06 am
#15
icarus-uk wrote:
Personally Im disapointed. With Rangers for once. I always thought this was the nicest forum on all of SOE, yet everyone seems to be hurling abuse. The chap asked a question, perhaps one without alot of thought into it, but a question none the less.
Instead of laughing and calling him names, whats wrong with saying "With an elite combat profession you should be able to mass hunt rancors on dathomir for about an hour and walk away with all the hide and bone you need. The metal you should be able to pick up from a vendor".
Now I dont think rangers can really say they are the friendliest people in the galaxy.
QFE
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:12 am
#16
Paks and I had a discussion about the currentRanger attitude (not meant to be negative). I was on the 'we are uppity side' and she had some good counters that i hope she will share (how's that for putting someone on the spot?).
But basically, yeah, it seems like we have far more condescending responses than usual. And frankly, tell me why one shouldn't grind camping; what is the value of taking your time through the camping line?
Fodder650
Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:52 am
#17
You know Calc i'll give it to you in a very simple answer. I am less then half a box of frontieering from master ranger. Every time I think about just grinding out that last 100 camps I remember that the bonuses at master ranger arent worth the grind. Honestly im going to do it because of the love of being a ranger and the fact that since i've gone into ranger in the first place the +10 melee/ranged def would make that box worth it.
But honestly we have nothing at Master Ranger that makes it a grind worthy profession. TK 4/4/4/4 to master is a big jump. Rifle 4/4/4/4 is a big jump. Heck even the climb up scout is worth mastering. But ranger you master because you chose to do it. Not because of the tag and not because of whats at the top. At this point most of us have earned our Ranger tags. We just dont like seeing someone come in here and master it and then go "So what are camps good for".
Call it uppity but i think its more frustration. And it has nothing to do with the outdoorsman proposal or whether we are a combat profession. It has to do with not even being thrown a bone since the beginning of the game and seeing things like tanned hides in the architect profession. This is why we are uppity. If there was a good reason to burn through Ranger and master it then we wouldnt be this way. But until then everyone who grinds ranger for the badge to us is not someone we want to associate with.
But honestly we have nothing at Master Ranger that makes it a grind worthy profession. TK 4/4/4/4 to master is a big jump. Rifle 4/4/4/4 is a big jump. Heck even the climb up scout is worth mastering. But ranger you master because you chose to do it. Not because of the tag and not because of whats at the top. At this point most of us have earned our Ranger tags. We just dont like seeing someone come in here and master it and then go "So what are camps good for".
Call it uppity but i think its more frustration. And it has nothing to do with the outdoorsman proposal or whether we are a combat profession. It has to do with not even being thrown a bone since the beginning of the game and seeing things like tanned hides in the architect profession. This is why we are uppity. If there was a good reason to burn through Ranger and master it then we wouldnt be this way. But until then everyone who grinds ranger for the badge to us is not someone we want to associate with.
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:28 am
#18
So why not explain that the bonuses at Master aren't worth the grind? If the person says they still want to do it, why not try to help them out or ignore them? Same with the trade requests...why are people quicker to say "OMG, my day is ruined becuase this guy asked the Rangers if he could buy meat from them?!?!?!?" than the are to simply point out they will have better luck asking around their trade forum.
DIsclaimer: I am not pointing the finger at anyone in particular here, these are just the feelings that recent posts have been conveying.
JBMat
Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:18 am
#19
Point the finger at me.
Anyone who is in the profession of Ranger to -
a. Grind out a profession for a badge
b. Grind out the profession as a way they think they can make a ton of quick money
c. Grind out the profession so they can say - Hey lookatme, Master Ranger...
Can just kiss my ... you know...
Grinding sucks. Period. Pure plain and simple. The worst thing the Devs did was introduced profession based Jedi. Killed the game for many people, although in all honesty it did make many people rich.I have mastered Marksman, Pistoleer, Scout, Ranger andnow Pilot. I still hold 4 of those - dropped Marksman a long time ago. Yes, I am glowy. I am not sitting around afk grinding XP like many people I have seen. Nor did I grind my way through any of the professions. It comes if you just play.
To have a potential Master Ranger come into the forum and ask where he can buy organic resources so he can "grind" his way through camping - that is wrong on so many levels. How many grinders made Master and never left their starter planet - hell, never left their starter city? Master my butt - yeah the title is there, and they are still as dumb as the box the rocks came in.
If a Master Ranger is not very familiar with at least one planet, doesn't have all the POI badges, hasn't hunted on all the planets at least once, and doesn't know the pure fun of pitching a camp with friends - that person is not a true Ranger.
Going to way way way back, I was the one who said it was the journey, not the destination. I still stand by that.
JB
Fodder650
Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:32 am
#20
(edit) it really was a pointless rant. Cliffnotes version
The "This is not a trade forum" thread is needed. If it wasnt there we would be flooded by knight wannabes who wont take the time to find it themselves posting and constantly bumping
Concerning "Teaching them what master means". Right now that answer is that it only means a badge to most. And to others it means a couple useful things if you fight unbuffed. It stands about as useful as the FS survival tree is. In fact both give you the same harvesting bonus if i remember right.
Concerning our attitude about grinders its simple most of us have been rangers for a long time. Whenever a new person comes in here and says they are happy to be a ranger and needs help. We help them and guide them on their new path. If they come in and the first thing they ask is how to get the fastest trapping and camping points. We know they are rushing for a badge and then dropping Ranger. Those people we dont help.
Also remember I was the one who made a post at least a month or more ago about how we had lost our way. And we were slowly becoming the BH forums. We reformed ourselves and turned around. There are two posts that get flamed on these forums. How do I grind/macro and "Looking for". Thats all and if you think you see a lot of them. We arent the ones posting them. One person even feel into the trap of my crafting macro because they didnt even read the full thread.
The "This is not a trade forum" thread is needed. If it wasnt there we would be flooded by knight wannabes who wont take the time to find it themselves posting and constantly bumping
Concerning "Teaching them what master means". Right now that answer is that it only means a badge to most. And to others it means a couple useful things if you fight unbuffed. It stands about as useful as the FS survival tree is. In fact both give you the same harvesting bonus if i remember right.
Concerning our attitude about grinders its simple most of us have been rangers for a long time. Whenever a new person comes in here and says they are happy to be a ranger and needs help. We help them and guide them on their new path. If they come in and the first thing they ask is how to get the fastest trapping and camping points. We know they are rushing for a badge and then dropping Ranger. Those people we dont help.
Also remember I was the one who made a post at least a month or more ago about how we had lost our way. And we were slowly becoming the BH forums. We reformed ourselves and turned around. There are two posts that get flamed on these forums. How do I grind/macro and "Looking for". Thats all and if you think you see a lot of them. We arent the ones posting them. One person even feel into the trap of my crafting macro because they didnt even read the full thread.
Message Edited by Fodder650 on 12-13-2004 12:46 PM
Calculus_Entropy
Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:56 am
#21
Ah yes...that is a great point. Not helping someone can easily be achieved by not responding to them, or even saying we won't help you, sorry. Immediately jumping on them only makes the jumper look mean and silly and gives the profession a bad name. I am not trying to change anyone, I am just trying to understand where people are coming from.
Fodder650 wrote:
(edit) it really was a pointless rant. Cliffnotes version
The "This is not a trade forum" thread is needed. If it wasnt there we would be flooded by knight wannabes who wont take the time to find it themselves posting and constantly bumping
Concerning "Teaching them what master means". Right now that answer is that it only means a badge to most. And to others it means a couple useful things if you fight unbuffed. It stands about as useful as the FS survival tree is. In fact both give you the same harvesting bonus if i remember right.
Concerning our attitude about grinders its simple most of us have been rangers for a long time. Whenever a new person comes in here and says they are happy to be a ranger and needs help. We help them and guide them on their new path. If they come in and the first thing they ask is how to get the fastest trapping and camping points. We know they are rushing for a badge and then dropping Ranger. Those people we dont help.
Also remember I was the one who made a post at least a month or more ago about how we had lost our way. And we were slowly becoming the BH forums. We reformed ourselves and turned around. There are two posts that get flamed on these forums. How do I grind/macro and "Looking for". Thats all and if you think you see a lot of them. We arent the ones posting them. One person even feel into the trap of my crafting macro because they didnt even read the full thread.
Message Edited by Fodder650 on 12-13-2004 12:46 PM
Cryos_Merovingian
Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:07 am
#22
boy oh boy is this ever a hostile thread. Calc, I'm glad to see you put down a few well balanced comments here. We've all heard it a thousand times... everyone has they're own way of playing the game and everyone is looking to get different things out of it. If a ranger asks me for help with achieving his/her desired goals/playing method, then I'm gonna step up. I always found this Ranger community of ours to be really supportive.
If you don't like/agree with grinding, that's fantastic, don't do it. All I can say to you all is play the game the way YOU want to play... grinding or not.
If you don't like/agree with grinding, that's fantastic, don't do it. All I can say to you all is play the game the way YOU want to play... grinding or not.
Fodder650
Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:15 am
#23
I'll stand down from this point in this thread. Im not one of the people who flames like that. I was replying for those that do. When someone posts a trade message i simply reply "This would be better in your trade forum". When they post a macro one I usually avoid it.
You asked why we felt this way and I answered. I know your not pointing fingers. But there is a small group of the biggest offenders. And i guess that i have a guilty conscious that I am one of them. We actually have a very easy profession to master. And stickies are in the scout forum to get you through it quickly. I think part of the frustration is that people dont look before they hit NEW POST.
You asked why we felt this way and I answered. I know your not pointing fingers. But there is a small group of the biggest offenders. And i guess that i have a guilty conscious that I am one of them. We actually have a very easy profession to master. And stickies are in the scout forum to get you through it quickly. I think part of the frustration is that people dont look before they hit NEW POST.
icarus-uk
Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:25 pm
#24
Personally Im disapointed. With Rangers for once. I always thought this was the nicest forum on all of SOE, yet everyone seems to be hurling abuse. The chap asked a question, perhaps one without alot of thought into it, but a question none the less.
Instead of laughing and calling him names, whats wrong with saying "With an elite combat profession you should be able to mass hunt rancors on dathomir for about an hour and walk away with all the hide and bone you need. The metal you should be able to pick up from a vendor".
Now I dont think rangers can really say they are the friendliest people in the galaxy.
Instead of laughing and calling him names, whats wrong with saying "With an elite combat profession you should be able to mass hunt rancors on dathomir for about an hour and walk away with all the hide and bone you need. The metal you should be able to pick up from a vendor".
Now I dont think rangers can really say they are the friendliest people in the galaxy.
Almagill
Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:43 am
#25
Calculus_Entropy wrote:Paks and I had a discussion about the current Ranger attitude (not meant to be negative). I was on the 'we are uppity side' and she had some good counters that i hope she will share (how's that for putting someone on the spot?).But basically, yeah, it seems like we have far more condescending responses than usual. And frankly, tell me why one shouldn't grind camping; what is the value of taking your time through the camping line?
There is no value, it just takes time and, apart from a little boost from a bit of power camping, STILL takes forever.
In re your later finger non-pointing post FWIW, I thought I gave DF a fairly even handed reply and tried my best not to be uppity.
If it did come over that way, Dark-father, I'm sorry mate. 'specially as I've now had the chance to read your later response.
***self edited***
Message Edited by Almagill on 12-14-2004 03:42 PM
LangaNor
Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:23 am
#26
ok, here's my opinion:
GRINDING: I'm an old fan of NES role-playing games where you have to grind like hell just to level up high enough to beat that damn [insert massive monster here]... So to me, part of SWG that I find fun is the grinding, crazy eh? I do homework while sitting in huge elaborate camps, alone, with my droid and 2 vehicles, tear down after 10 minutes and get 1050xp. If I do that 100 more times, I've maxed out my frontiering line. And since I grind an average of 10 camps per homework session (or while I'm doing the dishes, or any other time whenever I can pull off both), I'll be done my frontiering in 10 nights (in theory, not including my usual playing time, where I camp 3-5 times, on principle alone).
HARVESTING: Forget buying hides... And forget buffs... And especially, forget the Rancors... Hit up some Ikopi missions on Naboo. They're incredibly easy to kill, and I hooked up 1000 Ikopi hides within 30 minutes, unbuffed, @ OverallQuality 9XX, UnitToughness 9XX. So it's high quality hides, easily killed, terrible xp, but great resources.
Always keep in mind... If you're hunting something like a Rancor, you've spent 12k-20k in buffs, and it'll still take you 5-10 minutes to kill the damned thing (alone anyway) and I assume that Rancors'll give you between 75-100 hides (please, someone confirm?). I say stick to multiple kills of easier animals. I can do 10 Ikopis within a minute, thats 100 high quality bristley hides (keeping in mind, i have Carbineer 1/0/0/0).
Anyway, it may not be the best way to do things, but I can then resale my hides @ 10creds per unit, that's +10000creds for 30 minutes of easy hunting (travelling and all included). In the end, play the game whichever way gives you a bigger kick. If hunting Rancors is your idea of having a great time playing SWG, then do it up. It's a purely subjective thing. And for those who don't think that Ranger is a worth while profession, go check out Master Smuggler... What a waste.
Greetings,
Lunga.
GRINDING: I'm an old fan of NES role-playing games where you have to grind like hell just to level up high enough to beat that damn [insert massive monster here]... So to me, part of SWG that I find fun is the grinding, crazy eh? I do homework while sitting in huge elaborate camps, alone, with my droid and 2 vehicles, tear down after 10 minutes and get 1050xp. If I do that 100 more times, I've maxed out my frontiering line. And since I grind an average of 10 camps per homework session (or while I'm doing the dishes, or any other time whenever I can pull off both), I'll be done my frontiering in 10 nights (in theory, not including my usual playing time, where I camp 3-5 times, on principle alone).
HARVESTING: Forget buying hides... And forget buffs... And especially, forget the Rancors... Hit up some Ikopi missions on Naboo. They're incredibly easy to kill, and I hooked up 1000 Ikopi hides within 30 minutes, unbuffed, @ OverallQuality 9XX, UnitToughness 9XX. So it's high quality hides, easily killed, terrible xp, but great resources.
Always keep in mind... If you're hunting something like a Rancor, you've spent 12k-20k in buffs, and it'll still take you 5-10 minutes to kill the damned thing (alone anyway) and I assume that Rancors'll give you between 75-100 hides (please, someone confirm?). I say stick to multiple kills of easier animals. I can do 10 Ikopis within a minute, thats 100 high quality bristley hides (keeping in mind, i have Carbineer 1/0/0/0).
Anyway, it may not be the best way to do things, but I can then resale my hides @ 10creds per unit, that's +10000creds for 30 minutes of easy hunting (travelling and all included). In the end, play the game whichever way gives you a bigger kick. If hunting Rancors is your idea of having a great time playing SWG, then do it up. It's a purely subjective thing. And for those who don't think that Ranger is a worth while profession, go check out Master Smuggler... What a waste.
Greetings,
Lunga.