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They put it in the patch notes JB, so I guess technically it is a feature. It seems like kind of a pointless change. Camping xp was hard to get because no one needed camps. WIth combat becoming harder and grouping becoming more prevalent I think it would be much easier to get camp xp.

Unless they removed it because they didnt have time to fix the "infinite number of visitors" bug. Though that seemed pretty harmless, especially if they were thinking of doing away with the xp all together.

I guess it makes me nervous. There are somethings that definitely fall within the scope of the CU for us - we need to be balanced with the other combat support professions, and the combat changes they are making applied to us. But there are other things that I would rather wait for the revamp, so they can do them up right.

Camps is definitely something that can be very interesting if they spend the time to develop them, as hopefully they will do in a revamp. I really don't want to see them modified drastically at a point when they have 0 time. It makes me nervous.

I guess I am also watching out for what the Doctors went through. The "you are a combat class now so we are going to make you focused on just one thing." I want to stay a diverse and unique class. But I will hold off on the panic mode. For now.

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Jalelreb wrote:

they need to come up with a way to make camps mandantory for something. like groups have to use a camp to heal out in the field. no medic or doc just healing willy nilly.

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Hehe, yup, make camps the only other place medics can get XP... Healing in combat only, daft notion.

As for scrapping camping, gah, no! Yup, I hated it when I did Scout, I hated it ten times more when I did Ranger, and on the toons I'm working up through scout / ranger elsewhere its a royal pain in the butt, yet I'd not want to see it go.

Sure its time consuming and holds back the "I mastered scout and ranger in an afternoon" crew, but since when was it a race to finish?

Like JB I've always enjoyed the fact that scout/rangers get multiple bites at the cherry. Weapon XP, combat XP, scout XP, a bit of trapping and survival XP (am only novice med so capped out on that weeks ago but when I mastered medic most of the XP I got was gained 'in the field' and a fair chunk of that was gained in camp!) so having a wee bit of 'pain' to balance out all the gains seems a fair price to pay.

Not 100% sure I like the idea that survival XP is being replaced by scout XP, am hoping that this is just a mechanism to allow levelling on TC (Easier to grind kills and generated more info for the dev team than have players sat in camp 'inactive'??? Hope so.) I'll echo the sentiment "be careful what you wish for, you may get it".

Off the patch notes:

Profession related changes

• Added conversion of existing camping xp to scout xp
• Changed camps to require and grant scout xp rather than camping xp

And from what I saw on test:

• When you log in (on TCep3), you'll notice your survival XP in your skills menu set to 0. ("Wilderness Survival" is still in the skills menu, but it says 0).
• All survival xp seems to have been converted into scout XP.. you'll still have the survival boxes, but you'll probably find yourself closer to the next box in survival, if not ready for training.
• Dropping a camp now gives you scout XP
• crafting camps and traps now give the same amount of scout XP as it used to give survival XP
• conversion rate was 1:1

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Maavek wrote:

Has anyone ever questioned why we Rangers have an entirely separate...xp class for....CAMPING??????

This is the most grueling, boring, time-consuming, and utterly useless XP grind in SWG.

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OK "Why do we have camping"? Because, as Rangers we are not only resource gatherers but experts in wilderness survival.

That the came mechanism allows anybody in their underwear to survive outdoors isn't the fault of Rangers or camping. The fact they've taken away the usefulness of our camps by allowing pets and vehicles to be called anywhere, healing with droids, etc etc, is something that should be addressed and fixed, not just swept away.

Allow med XP to be gained in camp, let ents buff/heal all mind wound damage in camp and give us a wider range of funtionality from camps (see modular camps in the Outdoorsman proposal) to make the pain of the grind worth suffering. Instead of doing away with a type of XP lets get more value from it.

"This is the most grueling, boring, time-consuming, and utterly useless XP grind in SWG" I'd argue the point that double mastery of musician/dancer, grinding tailor or the med crafting XP for Doc/CM is more time consuming and boring. Certainly the crafting XP was a lot harder on the eyes and wrist I've done them all and, in balance, camp XP was a piece of cake. Only boring if you make it so, only time consuming if you don't do it 'right'. Yup, that last box is a total swine to get but so are the tier IV boxes of pilot, etc

Getting Master Ranger IS an acheivment. That tag tells anyone else who has done it that you too have suffered, that you deserve to wear the tag with pride in having persevered and won through. Drop it all back to scout XP and what? It means you grouped up with a gang of buddies who have massive killing potential, went after some high end critters and hauled some hide....

Either one of two things would come of scrapping the survival XP requirement.

1) Mastery of the profession becomes ever more devalued.

2) To balance the change the dev's increase the level 4 scout XP requirements to insane levels. Fancy getting 4 boxes of 250k Scout XP each? And, just for balance, let's tweak that trapping box up to 250k too...

If you doubt they'd do this, think about what they introduced to make getting jedi more 'challenging', make pilot 'easy to understand, difficult to master', or to add more high end content for entertainers... yup, 6 figure XP grinds.

Key phrases to hold dear from the dev vocabulary "has to be engaging for the casual gamer" "easy to understand, difficult to master" "more challenging, more fun" That last one, whenever it or something meaning the same has been dragged out has invariably meant "Hey, look, we're gonna make it easier to do but boy, you are going to do a LOT more of it..."




[careful what you wish for, you might just get it]

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JBMat wrote:

Not a smart idea, as now 3 lines of ranger all depend on one form of XP. It will take longer to make Master, unless you are a dabbler and only wanted a couple lines (why I have no clue, not with the way health is figured).

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agreed it devalues the profession, rangers are meant to be at one with the land and able to do everyting where ever they can. What would explorers do with out wilderness survival knowledge..... die thats what. If anything trapping xp needs to become wilderness survival. Also lowering the xp gained per trap. its possible to get the trapping tree in an hour just throwing wire mesh at naffs or rancors. reconsider please

nooo.... in the grind of camp exp you do realise some of the best scenery and how good the game can look
i do want it to stay.
i do like your idea of harvest all too, but there should be a large penalty so you have just over 1/2 of normal, so people dont loose the focus of going out just to get good spawns quickly

Message Edited by Geo-Pride on 04-16-2005 03:59 AM