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I was trying to think of something to add, but them I realized it was just a blatant attempt to get a wookieehug.

/wookiehug all

cos we needs one


Now, can we go kill stuff?

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DaveG wrote:

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frightwig wrote:

I'm not flaming you.. I just think the idea of "being forced to group" is subjective. You recieve no penalty for hunting solo. You'll get the same as you always had.

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/wookieehug

I say soloists are being penalised because they're getting less than grouped players. Just as current 'in live' grouped players are penalised, they get less than soloists. Like I said from the start, it's exchanging one unfair system for another.

As for the test results, yeah fine put the numbers in front of the devs by all means, but I think that the point to argue here is too obvious to need numbers, and it makes me really wonder about the mentality of the devs we're dealing with that they'd need the numbers to realise the problem.

-Terminating this post to prevent off-topic CURB comments (but refer back to when I asked Calc to pass a message on to the devs for me)-

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Yeah, I can understand that. There's actually a bigger issue here, and that's the problem with the amount a master ranger is able to harvest in the first place. (barely 40% more than a master scout, if even that??).

I understand your concerns. We invest a huge amount of skill points, and no one should be able to equal or out do a ranger's natural harvesting ability - grouped or ungrouped.

If anything, maybe this change will show the devs the problems with the amount we're able to pull and perhaps lead to a % increase for the master ranger box. For instance, if we simply had a 40% increase from obtaining the master ranger box (tied to the skill, and not grouping), the grouping issue wouldn't be an issue. A solo ranger could still harvest the most, and if he chooses to group with others, he receives even further % benefits to harvesting (20 or 30%), as well as allowing his group members of different skill levels to boost their harvest!

That would go a long way to promote grouping, rather than the current format. (which really only encourages master rangers to group with other master rangers, but not to provide benefits to others of less skill).

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frightwig wrote:

Yeah, I can understand that. There's actually a bigger issue here, and that's the problem with the amount a master ranger is able to harvest in the first place. (barely 40% more than a master scout, if even that??).

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DaveG wrote:
Kudos on putting the work in to collecting the numbers none the less, not the most fun of exercises I imagine.

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I realized I actually did want to respond to this. I have fun in every aspect of this game. Playing, Testing, Ranger, Entertainer, Combat Monster, Pilot, even (yikes) PvP - everything I've done I have enjoyed.

The only thing I do not enjoy in this game is not being heard.

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DaveG wrote:

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Limobacca wrote:

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Tiggs wrote:

Folks,

How about you jump on Test Center or TC-Gorath and do some tests. Let me know if Rangers/MRs are getting less then the group and I will bring those results to the team. Sound good? =)

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ok Tiggs here's what i got testing on TC-Gorath

same race and no tapes or droids for harvesting

mstr rnger + mstr ranger both got 40% bonus and same harvest amount

mstr rnger + 0040 ranger mstr ranger harvested 165 0040 ranger harvested 170

mstr rnger + mstr scout mstr ranger harvested 152 mstr scout harvested 135

mstr scout + 0040 scout mstr scout harvested 130 0040 scout harvested 126

all the harvests were off of same creater we hunted piket plainswalkers.

side note milk harvest while raised were not substantial to make a big impact only was able to milk 178 units as mstr ranger

the highlighted line however is the only point we noticed that needs to be addressed.

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Did you compare this to solo harvesting too? Can we see those numbers?

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no the server shut down before i could get the ungrouped harvest numbers

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DaveG wrote:

Now, please stop flaming me, and start pushing Zero Bonus Zero Penalty to the devs. Use your test results if it helps.

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Dave, perhaps people don't agree with your zero bonus, zero penalty system. I for one love the idea of a harvesting bonus. I think 40% is a bit high. But I still the bonus should be there. This is a boon for us as a profession. I'm sorry if it won't personally help you, but I think we can't worry about one person compared to the entire system. You can still hunt Solo, dave. but you won't get a bonus.

The larger problem is making sure Rangers are benefitted from this personally. Right now, scouts and non-master Rangers are benefitted most. That's not good. But encouraging group play is VERY important. Sorry if that infringes on your playstyle, but if you want to play with yourself...there are other ways to do that.

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Almagill wrote:

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DaveG wrote:

I'm not sure 'we' (as a community) should be testing this at all, by doing so we're validating an unfair system.

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If we don't test it, who will?
It doesn't get tested it doesn't get fixed.
We can test and NOT validate, by showing what IS wrong.
We can't show whats wrong by not testing.
We don't test, it goes in like this.
It goes in like this, well...

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You are wrong there.... Use mathematics for the calculations done as it is programmed as well... Easy as that. All proof can be done mathematically/logically, wether to proof it's faulty or correct.

Simple example:

MRanger CHB=100

Ranger0040 CHB=90

MRanger Grouped with Ranger0040 gets 20%= 100 *1.2 = 120

Ranger0040 Groupted with MRanger gets 40% = 100*1.4 = 136

Ergo Ranger0040 gets MORE harvest then MRanger in group.

Final.

Can be done for the rest as well. Leave it as a school example to the rest of you.

Assuming everything is working perfectly. Which we know it always does.

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Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:

You are wrong there.... Use mathematics for the calculations done as it is programmed as well... Easy as that. All proof can be done mathematically/logically, wether to proof it's faulty or correct.

Simple example:

MRanger CHB=100

Ranger0040 CHB=90

MRanger Grouped with Ranger0040 gets 20%= 100 *1.2 = 120

Ranger0040 Groupted with MRanger gets 40% = 100*1.4 = 136

Ergo Ranger0040 gets MORE harvest then MRanger in group.

Final.

Can be done for the rest as well. Leave it as a school example to the rest of you.

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You made a few mistakes here. The master ranger grouped with a 0040 range get's a 30% bonus, not a 20, making the mod with bonus +140. Also your Ranger 0040 calculation should read 40% = 0.9*1.4=1.26. If we just used theoretical calculations, instead of testing (and did the math right ), we'd assume that a master ranger still harvests more, even with the group bonus.

Because of the testing, we now know that this is not how harvesting works.The equation does not use the harvesting mod as a multiplier. Please see this thread where I explain the formula that I was able to derive thanks to testing done by a couple of rangers. It's always best to get real world numbers. You can do all the theoretical calculating you want, but until you have hard data, you've proven nothing. Had Paks and Kimi not done their testing, we wouldn't know now that the system is set up to let a 0040 ranger out harvest a master with the new group bonuses.

double post...

Message Edited by Dariane_Kamutsovy on 02-20-2005 02:20 AM

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Obata wrote:

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Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:

You are wrong there.... Use mathematics for the calculations done as it is programmed as well... Easy as that. All proof can be done mathematically/logically, wether to proof it's faulty or correct.

Simple example:

MRanger CHB=100

Ranger0040 CHB=90

MRanger Grouped with Ranger0040 gets 20%= 100 *1.2 = 120

Ranger0040 Groupted with MRanger gets 40% = 100*1.4 = 136

Ergo Ranger0040 gets MORE harvest then MRanger in group.

Final.

Can be done for the rest as well. Leave it as a school example to the rest of you.

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You made a few mistakes here. The master ranger grouped with a 0040 range get's a 30% bonus, not a 20, making the mod with bonus +140. Also your Ranger 0040 calculation should read 40% = 0.9*1.4=1.26. If we just used theoretical calculations, instead of testing (and did the math right ), we'd assume that a master ranger still harvests more, even with the group bonus.

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