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Thread: Hunting as a ranger: story of ineptitude

GoldMemberBria
Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:26 pm
#1

Last night was particularly frustrating to me, but it was kind of a microcosm of my frustrations with the ranger profession which I want SO much to like, but just can't bring myself to because of the implementation. Anyhow, I thought I'd share the experience as an illustration to our correspondent and any developers (don't snicker) who might be reading this.


I'm a 4-2-4-4 (almost 4-3-4-4) ranger who has 2-0-1-2 CH, 1-3-0-1 carbine, and novice medic, and have exactly the number of skill points left over to become a master ranger.


Last night a doctor friend of mine informed me that the herb meat on Naboo was primo and that he was going hunting there. He's a master doctor with some limited combat skills (pistoleer dabbler) and just a bit of scouting (hunting 3). I enthusiastically offered to join him offering my high level rangering abilities(!) to help in the hunt. We arrived in naboo, grouped, and tried to get missions for animals that drop herb meat. NPC camp, NPC camp, spider, bird, spider, bird. We refreshed, and refreshed, and refreshed, and could get no missions for anything that drops herb meat. We tried grouping, ungrouping, adding our pets, doing it without our pets. No difference, same missions.


Ok, no problem, I said, "I'm a ranger with tracking4" (puffs out my chest) "and the non-mission spawns often have far fewer creatures in them anyhow. Lets go find Bolle Bols and other herb meat critters!"


So we head out into the wilderness on our mounts. Every 400-500 m or so we'd stop and I'd track. Same stuff, nunas, rauls, spiders, peko pekos, and so forth. We go out further, and further, and further, and finally after an hour or so, have only killed a few little lairs of gnorts. We travel to another city to try from there. Same exact thing happens. Then we split up. I keep going on my mount, tracking along the way as I go, and my friend takes off on his speeder just travelling around aimlessly. About a half hour later, I've still found nothing and my friend sends me a /tell saying HE'S found a lair of Bolle Bols. I swallow my pride, hasten to where my friend had found the Bolle Bols, and help him dispatch them without too much trouble (now why weren't we able to get a mission for these things? grrrr). At this point we're several hours into the hunt, and have a whopping 500 pile of meat between us. And of course my friend with his hunting 3 has harvested nearly the same amount of meat that I have with tracking 4 from the same lair. Wonderful.


Now this morning I'm hunting solo on Dant, having fun, killing stuff solo, trying to forget about the previous night. I'm using mytraps (ones from novice scout naturally), and along with my pet are bringing down some really nice animals and I'm starting to feel better about things again, and I get a /tell from a different friend. She has essentially the same skillset as me, except she was smart enough to only take minimal scouting and pump the rest of her skill points into carbineer and CH, mastering both those professions.


We talk a while, and it turns out that she has been huting on Naboo for herb meat herself. I kind of snicker, asking her if she's had any luck. "Oh sure" she says "doing great, we've run a bunch of Bolle Bol missions and have got a ton of herb meat, with my combat levels I can get those missions right from the mission terminal in Karen" (which incidentally was the exact same place my friend and I were hunting oritinally). At that point, I wrapped up that conversation, and logged off, utterly disgusted with the game.



So to summarize:


1) With tracking 4 I'm often no better off (maybe even worse off since I cover less ground)finding particular creatures to hunt then others with no ranger abilities zooming around aimlessly in their speeders.

2) Because I put skill points into ranger instead of combat I'm able to get much wimpier missions than people who put those skill points into combat, even though using traps and such I'm able to kill the same stuff.

3) With tracking 4, on a per-harvest basis I'm getting only marginally bigger harvests then someone with hunting 3, and of course much less total harvests then someone with better combat skills.


I love the idea of being a ranger. I love the ranger "lifestyle". I guess I'm just having trouble actually loving BEING a ranger.





Vola Goce - Bounty Hunter/Commando/Hunter
"Doc" Holliday - Smuggler/Combat Medic


Raniok_Tasifer
Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:31 pm
#2

I'm with you..very...I stopped using Area track unless I was looking for Kimogila's. I had more fortune memorizing span patterns, and using missions to spam hives.. heh.


So I Mastered Ranger and dropped it :/ (always wanted ranger Im just disapointed). Not saying you should take my route..give it another month or two, see if SONY will do anything .. *sigh*



-- Raniok Tasifer |Master of two forms of Stick Fighting - shock trooper| :: blood to Phear :: |Master Sharpshooter - Field Commander| Koinar Tasifer -- Rrin Mentat |Master Droid Engineer|
-- morgukai -- silver fox of ashiia --
--
--------------------
..letting slip the bonds of control, leaving aside conscious thought, answering only the surge of his passion and his joy, he finds power undreamed of.. when the opponent expands, I contract, when he contracts, I expand, and when there is an opportunity, I do not hit--it hits all by itself.
Gwee-Godo
Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:43 pm
#3

do what i did, stop playing until they fix it. If they do not fix it by the time my subscription runs out next month, I do not give them any more money. There are better games out there. Games that are not horribly broken and frustrating. This is perhaps the most half a$$ excuse for a game that I have ever had the misfortune of playing. The list of problems is nearly endless. If the game were free, because it isa beta test, I would not complain.


Every month that I pay the subscription fee for this game, is like setting fire to 15$.


NRaas
Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:53 pm
#4

What Gwee-Godo said... Either move on to a different profession, or a different game altogether.


No need to waste your money and time doing something that gives you no pleasure.






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Puck_Starfire
Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:15 pm
#5

I agree on the terminals. For some reason, to get good missions in this game the terminals look at your combat ability. Okay, I realize you have to KILL the targets of the missions. But...Explorer terminals are for EXPLORERS, so wouldn't it make sense to give you missions based on RANGER level? Another problem I have with terminals is the lack of variety. You can hit refresh all day long, but all the missions usually involve 2 or 3 creatures that have been pre-picked(it seems)for that day. So if you refresh it 100 times, get a total list of about 600 missions, it's the same 3 missions repeated over and over. I think they should have some variety(as in complete randomness) and let you choose between hunting Gnorts or Humbabas no matter what your skill level.
Puck_Starfire
Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:24 pm
#6

As far as the worst game, Everquest will always take the #1 spot in my book of worst games ever. (oh wait that was SOE too, imagine that)


But you're right about the money pit. There is an estimated 300k players(last I checked) playing SWG at 15.00 a month. After one month they have enough to hire 60 GOOD developers for a year. That gives them 11 more months in a year to make profits and other costs. So, where the heck is our money going? Aside from the Ranger profession which I have no real issues with, a lot of this game needs serious fixing. You'd think that by paying for a game you would get an overall no-excuses game. But like EQ, SOE seems to always have excuses here too.


GoldMemberBria
Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:25 pm
#7

Thanks guys, I think you're right. My frustration has kind of grown over the time I've been a ranger (a couple of months) with the realization that the very skills I'm persuing is making me less and less effective at the things I'm trying to do (PVE) relative to others which troubles me as an "achiever" trype of player, so I think dropping ranger, or at least slowly selling back skill points from the ranger tree as needed is the right decision. It's just a shame that the sort of vision I had for this profession matched so poorly to the reality of it.


take care





Vola Goce - Bounty Hunter/Commando/Hunter
"Doc" Holliday - Smuggler/Combat Medic


NRaas
Sun Jan 25, 2004 6:29 pm
#8

"Everquest will always take the #1 spot in my book of worst games ever."


I didn't like EQ either. Namely because it was a class based game, and I detest being pigeonholed.




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eelektrik
Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:16 pm
#9

I always liked Asheron's Call much better then Everquest, but Everquest got all the subscribers because it came out like 6 months earlier, and had better graphics... AC was by far a better game.


I eventually got bored with AC though after about 2 and a half years of playing it, may try it again when its next expansion comes out(yes, it hasnt been officially announced, but the Devs said they are working on one now that Turbine bought the rights to the franchise from Microsoft, with a graphical update in it too), but for now im playing Star Wars Galaxies, and although it has its share of problems, I am enjoyingmyself, Which is the most important thing.
Puck_Starfire
Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:38 pm
#10

My next venture is definately going to be Final Fantasy 11. (just waiting on the money to go buy it) Square has yet to put out a bad game in my eyes, so I have faith this is going to be just as good. But in the future, definately checking out Dragon Empires. (www.dragonempires.com if you haven't heard of it) They're in stage 2 I think of the beta, and while it's probably about a year off, their developers have promised not to make these same mistakes and so far it looks good. I can't wait to play Beta(I'm in stage 3 or 4 can't remember)
Raniok_Tasifer
Mon Jan 26, 2004 12:10 am
#11

OMG Man, FFXI is horrid. Area loading, subpar classes (everything is exactly the same). Even player crafted items render no differances.


I ...just didn't like it at all, nasty game, heh.



-- Raniok Tasifer |Master of two forms of Stick Fighting - shock trooper| :: blood to Phear :: |Master Sharpshooter - Field Commander| Koinar Tasifer -- Rrin Mentat |Master Droid Engineer|
-- morgukai -- silver fox of ashiia --
--
--------------------
..letting slip the bonds of control, leaving aside conscious thought, answering only the surge of his passion and his joy, he finds power undreamed of.. when the opponent expands, I contract, when he contracts, I expand, and when there is an opportunity, I do not hit--it hits all by itself.
SquibII
Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:30 am
#12

Not to flame or anything, but a Ranger who has spent time really exploring the planets and noticing the differences between dominant fauna in each area will make a far more effective hunter than someone who worked their way up the profession while they watched that xp monitor the whole time. Areatack can be a boon, rather than a frustration.

Try checking the coastlines North of Theed if you're hunting Bol Bolles. If you're looking for insect meat on Tatooine, head out to Mos Taike and track the area between that town and the Krayt graveyard for giant sand beetle lairs. If you want to find Sludge Panther babies, head to Talus and take a walkabout to the east, around the foot of the mountains at the far edge of the map there.

Rangers are explorers and outdoorsman. Your skills will help you survive while you explore, but you have to know where to look. At that point, areatrack will help you quickly find your chosen prey. Granted, areatrack is probably the only Ranger-specific skill that is of any use, but in your particular situation, lack of utility in your skillset isn't the problem.
Machs
Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:31 am
#13

I guess I'm more of a "glass half full" sort of person. I can sympathize with the frustrations you experienced on your first hunt. It's these sort of issues that spawned the great suggestions in the recent "Outdoorsman" thread. That said...


You mentioned that you were on Dant, hunting and feeling rather pleased with your efforts. Then, when you talked to someone else, you were suddenly discouraged. Why should that completely jade you to what you are doing? Why is your satisfaction tied to somebody else's success?


Should there be better mission terminal choices? Sure. Do I use them to determine my hunts? Almost never. Finding the same problems you noted, I tossed in the towel on the mission terms long ago. The way they de-tuned the rewards and such just seemed to reinforce my belief that they are only there for very limited reasons. So what do I do instead? Like the poster before me, I started to learn where the general areas are that spawn particular creatures. I find that the non-mission lairs kick out many more creatures over the life of the lair, so if my goal is harvesting, that's the ticket anyways.


I also survey the resources in an area. Figure out what decent stuff drops so I can hunt for more than one type of item. It creates more targets of opportunity. The best that I've found is when you find a couple of lairs in the same area. By carefully switching between lairs, you can milk a remarkable amount of stuff before you eventually destroy the lair. If you find a particularly easy one, you can even force the spawn to kick out multiples so they start healing the lair. It's like finding a new one all over again.


Also, since I've only got limited combat ability, and I don't spend copious amounts of time trying to get great armor or weapons, I have to be a bit more selective in how I gather. Bringing down a torton for 50 hides might sound nice. However, if I can find some other less difficult critters, I can plow through those for the same 50 hides with less down time. I pay more attention to resources per time spent than the number off one particular creature type. If you have the skills to zap the bigger stuff like I go through the smaller stuff, then great. I know that there are plenty of folks that do. However, since that's what I can't do, I don't sweat it. Finding the mode for doing stuff the best that I can with what I have is what I enjoy. Not keeping up with the "Jones'."


I guess my point is that you know what parts of the "system" don't work for you. Concentrate on identifying the strategy, technique, game mechanic that you can work with whatever skills you have. 'Cause if you don't, it won't make a lick of difference what profession you choose becauseyou will always be faced with that same problem. Besides, if you find some technique that you can push, the next time you have that conversation with your friend, she'll be wondering why she can't do the same things as you are!


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