Ranger Archive
Thread: /conceal is garbage.
I saw some other posts about how the new conceal ability was terrible but I just blew them off as negative nancies.
Well, I have wayfaring 4 and it gets broken VERY often. And I'm only on Corellia. I don't imagine it's worth half a crap on any advanced planet.
I would ask that they put everything back the way it was (w/mask scent and no Conceal) but I know thats not gonna happen.
It's to bad Test Center is absolutely worthless. Either nothing gets actually tested there or nothing is done about it till it hits live servers.
Ohh well back to my Doctor. Or maybe I'll just grind camps for survival XP.
It's to bad Test Center is absolutely worthless. Either nothing gets actually tested there or nothing is done about it till it hits live servers.
It's a little hard for them to do great testing there, seeing as how just about NO ONE plays on TC. If you want to complain that nothing gets tested over there, when you yourself aren't going over there to test anything, then you have no room to complain. Play over there once in a while if you want things to get better.
My statement was, that it is absolutely worthless, which is true, from the signs of /conceal. They should not push tests on the live servers which is exactly what they did with this.
If they did a server copy I would play over there actually. But it's not my job to test things is it? Soe employess should be testing things on test center along with the player who play there.
Took me 5 min of testing to realize it was crap.
I have all the room in the world to complain. I'm a paying customer.
While your at it, traps and Camps are more difficult to make and while they are supposed to give us XP when we make them, they don't. Was this on the TC? It seems a simple it works or it doesn't thing to me.
We have to do their math for them so I do understand why we should do the testing as well. But I don't want to level two characters, one with my friends and one on TC.
Yes, we are all paying costumers and yes, we are entitled to playing a working and stable game. But most (and I mean 99%) people have no clue what all goes into making/testing a game. As a dev myself as well as having a couple friends that are actually working on an MMO (mutablerealms.com), I can tell you that MUCH, MUCH workgoes intothese things, and there is absolutely no way that everything can be tested thoroughly bt thedevs alone. For an MMO, play testers are needed preferably from people that will be or are playing the "finished" game. So unless people actually go to TC and help out and give their 2 cents (and you are much more likely to be heard there then here), this stuff is going to happen whether we like it or not.
This is in no way a flame to anyone. I am just trying to point out that sh!t happens. Who knows, maybe the wrong version of a concealupdate got loaded into the patcher, maybe someone didn't commit their changes properly, maybe they just screwed up and broke it. I don't know.
I have not tried out the new patch yet since I have not been home to get it, but if it does not work for me either then I will just keep using mask scent until coneal is fixed. I too would love a character copy over to TC. I think it is stupid to not allow it. Going to shut up now before I continue babbling even more. hehe.
BrelSino wrote:
I have not tried out the new patch yet since I have not been home to get it, but if it does not work for me either then I will just keep using mask scent until coneal is fixed. I too would love a character copy over to TC. I think it is stupid to not allow it. Going to shut up now before I continue babbling even more. hehe.
I would loved it if we couldcopyare character into the TC server. I just don't have the time to play 2 character, but would like to help the dev anyway I can. I try to feel up a most deatiled bug report I can, but I just don;t know if its fix in TC or not.
BrelSino wrote:
Yes, we are all paying costumers and yes, we are entitled to playing a working and stable game. But most (and I mean 99%) people have no clue what all goes into making/testing a game. As a dev myself as well as having a couple friends that are actually working on an MMO (mutablerealms.com), I can tell you that MUCH, MUCH workgoes intothese things, and there is absolutely no way that everything can be tested thoroughly bt thedevs alone. For an MMO, play testers are needed preferably from people that will be or are playing the "finished" game. So unless people actually go to TC and help out and give their 2 cents (and you are much more likely to be heard there then here), this stuff is going to happen whether we like it or not.
This is in no way a flame to anyone. I am just trying to point out that sh!t happens. Who knows, maybe the wrong version of a concealupdate got loaded into the patcher, maybe someone didn't commit their changes properly, maybe they just screwed up and broke it. I don't know.
I have not tried out the new patch yet since I have not been home to get it, but if it does not work for me either then I will just keep using mask scent until coneal is fixed. I too would love a character copy over to TC. I think it is stupid to not allow it. Going to shut up now before I continue babbling even more. hehe.
It should not be put on until it is tested thourghly. Theres no excuse for that. Unless maybe the point you brought up about it being a wrong version.
Although I highly doubt that is the case.
Test it out when you get home and tell me how much time you think went into testing it.
They either:
A. didn't test it.
B. Are using us to test it.
Sad news friend you're not gonna be using mask scent. that breaks almost as much as /Conceal. It doesn't have 1/2 the power it used to.
If they did a server copy I would play over there actually. But it's not my job to test things is it? Soe employess should be testing things on test center along with the player who play there.
Go ask ANY person that makes software, you can take a finished product that has been apparently bug free for MONTHS of testing, and as soon as you distribute that product to a million consumers, that many people will find bugs exponentially faster than 10 or 15 devs can. Did you see the SHEER NUMBER OF FIXESin this patch? do you think 10 of them had the time to personally test EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE CHANGES, IN EVERY IMAGINEABLE SITUATION? There's no way. Especially in a game as large and complex as this one. The fact that you even THINK that the small number of devs should be able to catch every bug shows you know nothing about how software is made.
It should not be put on until it is tested thourghly. Theres no excuse for that.
I tend to agree with this. However, I do not think this should be done so if it's going to end up taking longer to get it working and live. Consider this, at the rate things were going on TC, it probably would have taken another MONTH to finish testing it. Would you rather them have waited? Or, what if they could put it on here, bugged, but have it fixed within a week due to the VASTLY INCREASED FEEDBACK LEVEL THEY GET FROM LIVE SERVERS. Personally, I'd rather have the skill on here, bugged for a week, or even two, than take another whole month to even have it at all.
The fact is, there is only so much that can be done on Test Center, especially with as few players there as there are right now. Test Center is only a SIMULATION of the live servers, since there are so many more variables over there, and so many fewer players to test it. There is only so much you can learn from a simulation. Sure, you can computer design a car or airplane thats SUPPOSED to work or handle a certain way, and you get it as close to perfect as you can, but the fact is, you CANNOT KNOW HOW IT REALLY WORKS until you take it out on the road or into the sky and test it in the REAL environment.