Ranger Archive

Lunga Nor
SoUL
Home: Trader's Luck, Talus
Playing since October 26th, 2004... Can I be part of the cool-kids club now?

First, I really don't know of any "bad blood" between BH and Ranger. We track critters they track criminals. I see them as more urban versions of ourselves.(With mass combat skills mind you).

First incarnation of Pesoj Was a Ranger/Bounty Hunter hybrid. I found that the skills complemented one another a great deal. It just ended up not being my "thing".

Oh BTW: Yes the Vamp chick was very nice. I liked the movie too. Reminded me of Vampire: The Masqueradeand Werewolf: The Apocolypse from White Wolf. Both arepart of an interlockingPen anPaper RPG system.

-Deleted Pesoj Maub Ex-Master Ranger/Ex-Master Rifleman Ex-SOE Customer

Come on by forum.swgranger.com the camp is up and the punchbowl is deployed!

THORTAC BALCOR
The Lost Ranger
RANGER

We have flamed this idea so many times it is a crispy critter.

We are anti-thetical. You hunt people, we hunt creatures. You have no tracking because you whined about having to master Scout. We can use any combat profession, you are stuck with Ranged, mainly pistols tho there are some who prefer Carbines.

Rangers are the masters of the wilderness, BHs are the masters of ... asking NPCs where they can find their target. Oh yeah, we are sooo similar - NOT.

Rangers by and large know what they want, are self reliant, and earn boo coo creds doing something we love.

BHs by and large whine, are 13 year old pre-pubescent boys who yearn to be l33t and uber, want everything handed to them on a freaking silver platter by a topless waitress, and are pretty much useless outside the PvP arena. Pretty much spam in a can, buffed and ready to sit in the starport asking for duels.

Now, take your silly little droids and go away, far away, or the big bad Rangers will find monsters to eat you. And yes, our camo/maskscent is better as we aren't in armor and can use mod'd clothes, so that Rancor will scent you and not me.

/flame off

Now, begone you silly person, before I taunt you a second time

JB

-Deleted Pesoj Maub Ex-Master Ranger/Ex-Master Rifleman Ex-SOE Customer

Come on by forum.swgranger.com the camp is up and the punchbowl is deployed!

JB needs to be given some kind of Ranger-Hero award.

Anyhow, we need a Bounty Hunter visibility scale, similar to the one used for Jedi visibility. Everytime a Bounty Hunter posts outside their boards, they get visibility points. When their point level maxes out (say, after 5 posts) their toon has to go weep openly in front of the Theed Starport.

The Bounty Hunters in my guild, of course, would be exempt.

Fumer McTuber- Ithorian Ranger- Chilastra- Cancelled
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Lunga Nor
SoUL
Home: Trader's Luck, Talus
Playing since October 26th, 2004... Can I be part of the cool-kids club now?

Merging Ranger with BH serves neither profession:

Both have potential, Both need a lot of work, but merging 2 imcomplete professions only makes 1 incomplete profession and a LOT of angry people.

I am a ranger because i want to be a ranger... not a bounty hunter. I hear the call of the wild, the BH hears the clatter of credits and the clamor of big cities.

While the only skill that really has potential for both classes (tracking) is a good skill, it is far from complete and has its own bugs and problems.

BH's need something unique, not something that mirrors what we have...

Rangers need something unique, not something that we dont want.

I appreciate the way you presented your idea... however, i think that your idea would do a lot more harm than good to either profession.

Draknev
The Last Ranger Correspondent
Subterfuge and Sabotage, Concealment and Camouflage:
Colonel: Rebel Alliance

Bah... JB has it right, the main difference between BH's and Rangers is about 110 IQ points. In all honesty I've only bumped into half a dozen intelligent bounty hunters in game that were actually worth a damn. Aside from that just the name "bounty hunter" brings up ideas and thoughts of some of the more infamous BH's of our time in real life. Take for example this guy:

Now if Rangers are more like mountain men we could look to a few real life examples; however, their actions outside of being able to sustain life away from society isn't what's being looked at. In no way shape or form should we condone the actions of the people used for example but they are true testament to what rangers are capable of doing:

Once again it's not their actions against society but their ability to sustain years in the wild without outside help.

Veustuh - Rifleman/Carbineer
Geno - Old School MD/MCM
Hunter'a - Dark Force Wielder
Kardo - Smuggler Extrodinare - Retired

i know i might as well dump gasoline on myself, as i'm about to get flamed, but this has been bugging me since i first heard all about the Ranger profession and the tracking skills.

Rangers think of themselves as self-sufficient outdoorsman (which is generally true short of buying food/weaponry) but they also seem to scoff at the use of technology to make things easier/more efficient. The Star Wars Universe is EXTREMELY reliant on technology. you see droids everywhere, doing the most mundane tasks such as repairing equipment and other droids, translating, combat, ect. Which brings me to Seeker and Probe droids that so many Rangers seem to put down the use of.

Seekers are used in the films by Bounty Hunters, as well as Darth Maul, to track their targets. When you've got one, single target, and could be anywhere in the galaxy, or anywhere on a single planet, is it foolish to comb an entire planet to find a single person. and so somebody came up with the idea of these small probe and seeker droids that can search for a specific person's bio-signals, and home in on them.

With technology the way it is in the Star Wars Universe, i am genuinily surprised that Rangers do not have some sort of droid similar to seekers. I am certain that not all big game hunters (especially those trying to meet a HUGE demand for a certiain organic) would just scoff at the use of technology to make their job easier. Some hunters would of course have a more "old-school" outlook, and would just laugh at the hunter with a pack full of gadgets, but in such a technology driven society that exists in the SW universe, the use of such tools should not be scoffed at, and should be welcomed.

Now with all of that being said, i must make this statement though. Personally, i love exploring the planets on my own, as everytime i go out i find something new, whether it is some sort of rock formation, or just a neat looking group of trees that i never noticed before. Even as a BH, i still use my Ranger knowledge that i have aquired as playing a Ranger, in order to effectively still gather organics for my loyal customers, who have so far been very understanding that i cannot gather as much as i could before.

Also, i am in no way suggesting that Rangers should get seeker droids, but i am saying not to knock the use of droids to make things easier, as that is pretty much the sole purpose of technology, to make our lives easier by streamlining and automating tasks.

Feel free to flame, but keep in mind, these words are coming from someone who's been on both sides of the fence, and can see the validity of the way that both professions do what they do.

Also, i'm no 13 year old uber leet boy or anything, and i don't spam coronet seeking duels. I'm just a person that's been playing as a melee/Ranger for months now (probably 8-9 months or so). I am just looking for something new to do in-game, as killing the same creatures over and over can get a bit old at times. So i chose to go with a Jedi Hunting BH/Pistoleer template, while still keeping most of my scout abilities in order to still keep my customers supplied with organics. PvP is one of the few aspects of SWG i've never really experienced. i've fought a few duels, i've gone overt a few times, but never really jumped head first into it. and that is what i am doing now. i want to explore this aspect of the game, so that whenever i do eventually leave the game, i can say that i have truly explored everything there is to see in SWG. I've been an entertainer, i've been a crafter, i've been a medic/doc, i've tried all the melee professions, and several of the ranged ones. the last thing i really have left to truly dive into is pvp.... plus i don't like all the Jedi running around, so hopefully i can keep some of them in check.

ok, flame away fellas.

Off topic but....I <3 white wolf! It is such a great pen and paper game.

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The wisdom of Solid Snake-
~Never doubt yourself. Just let it make you stronger. Learn something from it.~
~You're that ninja.~I'm a little nervous. Everyone else I've saved suddenly dies.~
~There are no heroes in war. All the heroes I know are either dead... or in prison. One or the other.~
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Lunga Nor
SoUL
Home: Trader's Luck, Talus
Playing since October 26th, 2004... Can I be part of the cool-kids club now?

ok, here's my on-topic response.

Personally, i've been a melee player for pretty much the entire 11 months i've been playing SWG. I recently dropped Ranger, and went for a Jedi Hunting bounty hunter / Pistoleer template.

I don't see any of the Investigation abilities (such as tracking droids) as being beneficial for Rangers as the game stands. If you're talking about combat skills, I absolutely LOVE my pistoleer BH pistols combination. Your pistol accuracy and speed will be amazing if you go for BH pistols 3 or 4. Take those skills, and mix them with whatever pistoleer you can, and i think you'd have yourself a great set of combat skills.

the same could also be said about BH carbines and carbineer.

i don't really have any experience with the LLC, so i don't know how well that gun works.

in PvE, i usually have my trusty DX2 pistol equiped. a good bit of creatures out there are vulnerable to Acid damage, or Acid is at least listed as an effective stat. The HAM cost on pistols seems fairly low as well. Unbuffed unarmored i have no trouble with doing NPC bounty missions.

i say if you like using pistols, go for it, grab a bit of BH pistols, and play around with it. if nothing else, you get another health bleed shot. using a Modified Republic Blaster, you can actually stack 4 health bleeds on something (if you've got BH Bleeding Shot, and all the bleed shots in pistoleer).

the good thing about SWG though, is that if you don't like what you're doing, it's easy to drop something, and grab something else. so if pistols aren't working for you, try carbines. or try rifleman, or something else. just test out some of them, and see what works for you.

i've always liked close range combat, so pistols seems much better suited for my play style than rifles or carbines. but to with what works for you.

and good luck.

/salute