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Thread: Just dawned to me.... Calc, Owen, Tiggs... Who ever cares
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Phenix1050
Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:03 am
#1
A lot of what is solo-able now is the PROBLEM. The fact that we can walk around dangerous planets in comp with uber buffs and not fear anything is something that is wrong with this game. Combat may be harder, but that's a risk I'm willing to take for a game that's more balanced and more fun. Getting people back on par with where they were supposed to be is a great goal. Perhaps you SHOULDN"T be hunting solo.
But needless to say, all the Rangers in the Combat Upgrade, including myself, are working as hard as we can to make sure that we're not forgotten. Learn to use the skills you have and you'll be able to survive on dangerous planets. You might not be able to solo a rancors' lair solo, but then again, you probably shouldn't be able to now.
JascoSmlee
Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:12 am
#2
I am hoping that those of us that don't currently do the buff/armour thing will have a head start once the CURB arrives. Although if I do have to "unlearn what I have learned" then so be it, if that is the will of the Force*cough* Devs.
JBMat
Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:39 am
#3
Good news, bad news.
Yes, you can hunt Dath unbuffed and unarmored. It's not pretty, it's not really productive, but you can do it. Endor is actually easier, by far.
But guess what, the CU - a. doesn't specifically address Ranger, as we are a non-combat profession.
b. IMHO is intending to make the game more "group" friendly / necessary.
No specifics - as the CU has not even started yet- but IMHO I think weapons will be "changed" as well as specials to make it about required to go group to hunt the higher level of creatures.
Is this a game breaker, no. Will it hose up the economy, no. Unless you only hunt specifically for certain types of meat once in a while, your hunting won't take a big hit. Specific hunters will need to learn to diversify - solo what you can (nunas, durni, ok, I am joking here) and group to take on the big stuff (Rancors, Kimo, Krayt).
Will you be able to get a large stack in a short period of time, maybe - if you are smart and hunt smart. Will you be able to go to Dath and wipe out Rancor lairs with nary a wound, getting a 100k stack of hide/meat in 15 minutes --- probably not.
I confess, I am a specific hunter a lot of the time. But, I have been known to go to the terms, grab some "easy" missions and go slay tortur and huf dun for harvest. 6k and 4k missions - about 1k of hide/meat per set - herbie is 10cpu for grind --- 18k for 2 huf dun missions is not bad - time outlay - 15 mins, including travel. No expenses other than a couple of stims.
We may have to adjust how and what we hunt, but realisitically, birds will not be our problems. And you want sleepless nights, get a contract for Tat avian.
JB
DARTHBAYLOR
Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:47 am
#4
harder to collect means higher prices surely................ better for the pocket?
GrigsOnia
Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:45 am
#6
I think she is asking along the lines of will rangers still be able to move around in the wilderness solo. I think we should still be able to, but with intelligence and tactics instead of spam-in-a-can uberness. That will keep our profession from becoming a solo profession (how many will be excited about picking our way though 1km anhour dodging agros like each one is a NS elder *brings back memories of running to Mos Taike from Mos Eisley on foot in my days of newbishness 
*), while still honoring the hunter aspect of the ranger lifestyle.
*), while still honoring the hunter aspect of the ranger lifestyle.
JascoSmlee
Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:51 am
#7
GrigsOnia wrote:
I think she is asking along the lines of will rangers still be able to move around in the wilderness solo.
Well I can't see any reason why not. The CURB will not have any effect on our camo and mask scent AFAIK, which allow us to do the above at the moment just fine.
Fred_Skinner
Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:11 am
#8
I fought tooth and nail to get an "include" to the CU, but I ultamatly lost that fight.
Owen-Lars
Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:11 am
#9
As many posts have pointed out, things will be more difficult combat wise after the revamp. Believe me when i say im more concerned than anyone about potential to ruin this proffesion if some things arnt taken into account in the CU.
Through chats and pms every ranger member of the alpha team seem together in that we will scream to our very last breath to make sure ranger doesnt get screwed over in the CURB. I realy wish you guys could access the CURB forums and put your concerns accross in regards to rangers viability. We have made a massive effort at voicing our concerns over there but still some people who have never even played ranger come out with comments that they know nothing about. Although i feel we have done our part at voicing everyone's concerns you stillcantbeat the effect having all you lot voice your opinions too.
As for being able to solo on dath. Fighting solo should still be an option, but it should be a big challange on adventure planets like dath and endor. The way i see it, i dont mind making creatures much much tougher in relation to us, having them hit harder and making us think more about combat aslong as the harvesting figures are ajusted accordingly to offset the new HPM values (Harvests Per Minute).
What i mean is if we can still harvest the same amount of organics over the same stretch of time, i dont have problems with it requiring me to use my head alot, infact a crave such a system. It would certainly give me pride in my hunting.
So basically although there is alot to be concerned about, every alpha member also shares in these concerns and will do their best to push these concerns into the light. We wont stop until we see ranger get a fair deal out of this so sleep in peace now 
Owen-Lars
Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:18 am
#10
Fred Wrote:
"I fought tooth and nail to get an "include" to the CU, but I ultamatly lost that fight"
I still think we have a good case. The problem is at the moment is that those who either havnt played ranger before or arnt thinking from a ranger viewpoint cant see the issues that could arise from the CURB in regards to rangers. We need a way to 'prove' to these people that something is wrong and that ranger definatly needs some love before our revamp.
Ive said it many times that ranger NEEDS some attention in the CURB or we will be useless. Im not going to hide my true fealings on this or attempt to dress the issues up as only minor problems. Things need to change in regards to ranger or we will become completely and utterly a waste of skillpoints (some may argue we already are).
The reason i dont think we have lost yet is because in my eyes we havnt started our big push yet. Once the alpha server lights up and we get playing the problems will be on show for all testers to see and evidence can be gathered to prove our points. I think its safe to say when that time comes we will all of gained the right to shout "i told you so" at the top of our voices.
Calculus_Entropy
Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:49 am
#11
Owen addressed this issue very eloquently. The Sandox testers will not let Rangers get screwed (trust me, they are passionate!). Unfortunately, we can not offer too much help to reassure you because we are under the NDA (and will be until open Beta or longer) and there isn't anything other than documents to let us know how things will be. in other words, who know how hunting will be until we get to play under the new system (which I hope will be any day now ).
).Let me just say, I am still very excited about the CURB!
ShyGirl
Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:54 am
#12
GrigsOnia wrote:
I think she is asking along the lines of will rangers still be able to move around in the wilderness solo.
Yep, you got it.... By the way, I just woke up (thanks for all the AW's)
I don't mind a challange, I can jump in to a Rancor Lair and kill 'em all in a matter of minutes... So, if the Combat Upgrademakes 'em a "little" harder, I wouldn't mind. When I was a n00b I had to call out one Rancor at a time in able to finish up with one lair (that was exciting).
Ps, I am a buff girl..... I use buffs all the time, especially when I go to hunt. I haven't seen a hunting Melee Rangerwithout buffs as of yet. Needless to say... Even if I saw one, I would go buff anyway
ShyGirl
Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:09 am
#13
Calculus_Entropy wrote:
Unfortunately, we can not offer too much help to reassure you because we are under the NDA (and will be until open Beta or longer) and there isn't anything other than documents to let us know how things will be.
I totally understand.... I just needed to get my concerns out in the open. Calc, I have been a Ranger for a long time... I love this profession more than anything, even though it's close to useless.
As we say: It's a life style, and reallyis !
But seeing that the "Tanned Hide" schematic went to the Architects, I started to feel more usless than what I was used to.... The Hero's Quest, and the Jedi rush has calmed down, so I am not being asked to track things down as often... Soooo, what do I have left? Hunting !
If hunting requires grouping, I am screwed as I hunt so much faster by myself. I am very social, but when I have to work, I rather do it myself and focus (whilst in groups... people wanna set up camp, chat, take pee-breaks, eat snacks.... you know, sort of safari tours. Not very efficient in my view )
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