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Thread: Later...
I agree with this statement, JB. I want to be creature-centric like you and Ken. While I think the changes are pretty cool and may actually even be fun to play, it's just not what I wanted or want to do with Ranger. I will give the new Ranger a chance, but I expect that I will dropping the majority of it, keeping MasterScout, and maybe pick up CH or something.
JBMat wrote:
I can't say I am enthused to see the direction that Ranger will be taking. Instead of being Masters of the Wilderness, we will be thieves.
ScoerFusou wrote:
I know how you feel JB. I also am one of the oldest Rangers on our server, and I dare say I am the Ranger with the longest amount of consecutive days since I got Master somewhere around October 1st and have never dropped it. I love this profession(well what it used to be) and it kills me to see the direction it is going. I too am very close to unlocking Jedi(2 boxes) and I've been trying to find a way to keep Master Ranger and do Jedi at the same time. The only good thing about this revamp is that it DOES seem really pvp geared and if they drop the reqs I may be able to be a Master Ranger/Jedi and still be pretty decent so I think I'll give that a go. My alt, however, will not be picking Ranger back up. He will be a Master Scout with some combat and probably SL and he will most likely become my main character.
I really dont get this attitude, I mean ALL the Ranger stuff goes into Scout so you can still be creature centric, if playing 1/3 of a game is good enough for you, and youll be better at it with more combat skills. Or you can keep ranger and have even more ways to take down critters.
Or you can take Ranger and play it like a Star Wars Ranger is meant to be. Something I have wanted my Ranger to do for the past 2 years, be a ranger, not some damn bear chasing, camp setting, picnic eating, tour guide ranger that is outclassed in everything by a master scout.
I also see a lot of people saying the new Ranger is geared towards PvP. No it isnt. What it is geared towards is playing ALL areas of the game, not just creature missions. The fact is it looks like its PvP oriented is because you can see a use for things in PvP that are capable of attacking all enemies in the game. That isnt a bad thing, its what every other profession gets.
JBMat wrote:
I think I am the oldest Ranger on my server. I became a Master the day of the first massive revamp, which was in September after launch (I think it was September)... the day they dropped the points on camping. I made Master literally minutes before the revamp, having to sprint to the trainer to do so.
I am within 4 weapons caps of making Jedi. To unlock I will be dropping a lot of Ranger, keeping only trapping and areatrack, and they go when the insane revamp hits. The boxes I don't need will be used for weapons. And last week that was gonna hurt a lot. This week, it hurts a lot less.
I can't say I am enthused to see the direction that Ranger will be taking. Instead of being Masters of the Wilderness, we will be thieves. No way Jose'. Instead of being able to help others, we will be pretty much relegated to helping BHs find Jedi. I am a BH and this sounds really boring. Oh goodie, traps may actually work. On people primarily, not animals. Again, helps the BHs among us, not the Hunters.
Our role in the GCW is being expanded. Whoopee doo. I rarely PvP and once I make Jedi I doubt my brain cells will decay enough to allow me to get much visibility.
I have been pondering what my alt will be. Probably not a ranger though. Scout certainly, I love TN. But not ranger.
JB
Hate to see you go but we all sort of knew it was going to happen sooner or later. Enjoy swinging your glow stick.
I think its a shame you are being dishonest with this post about Rangers becoming thieves and acusing the Ranger of becoming lap dogs to the Bounty Hunters. I know you are bitter you have always had a caustic attitude towards anything you didn't like.
Which is a shame because you are one of the most knowledgable Rangers around. Without seeing how the revamp will turn out you have closed your eyes and mind to change and for that its a shame a player of your stature has fallen to.
Now I know you don't give a crap what I say or any other ranger says. You have made your mind up.
With that adios ranger and good hunting.
I, for one, doesn't understand JB at all. If you want bows and arrows kinda ranger go play WoW or EQ. If you want to play a SciFi Ranger (Antarian Ranger style) that has a star wars appeal stay here...
When I saw the request to get a "Bow" as a special weapon I nearly cried. The devs are doing exactly what they should have done in the CU.
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
ScoerFusou wrote:
I know how you feel JB. I also am one of the oldest Rangers on our server, and I dare say I am the Ranger with the longest amount of consecutive days since I got Master somewhere around October 1st and have never dropped it. I love this profession(well what it used to be) and it kills me to see the direction it is going. I too am very close to unlocking Jedi(2 boxes) and I've been trying to find a way to keep Master Ranger and do Jedi at the same time. The only good thing about this revamp is that it DOES seem really pvp geared and if they drop the reqs I may be able to be a Master Ranger/Jedi and still be pretty decent so I think I'll give that a go. My alt, however, will not be picking Ranger back up. He will be a Master Scout with some combat and probably SL and he will most likely become my main character.
I really dont get this attitude, I mean ALL the Ranger stuff goes into Scout so you can still be creature centric, if playing 1/3 of a game is good enough for you, and youll be better at it with more combat skills. Or you can keep ranger and have even more ways to take down critters.
Or you can take Ranger and play it like a Star Wars Ranger is meant to be. Something I have wanted my Ranger to do for the past 2 years, be a ranger, not some damn bear chasing, camp setting, picnic eating, tour guide ranger that is outclassed in everything by a master scout.
I also see a lot of people saying the new Ranger is geared towards PvP. No it isnt. What it is geared towards is playing ALL areas of the game, not just creature missions. The fact is it looks like its PvP oriented is because you can see a use for things in PvP that are capable of attacking all enemies in the game. That isnt a bad thing, its what every other profession gets.
Tell me again how Ranger isn't pvp based and will help you kill creatures? 1st off Rangers now wear Recon Armor which is good verse BLASTERS.
They have Urban stealth -wont help you kill creatures
you can steal stuff - wont help you with creatures unless your trying to steal some Rancors shoes
you can trap....but oh this quote suggests it only usable on players and NPCs so i guess you wont be getting any help there either "This skill line provides schematics and skill modifiers that allow the Ranger to set traps aimed at NPC humanoids as well as other player characters in a PvP setting"
And with the detect camo and flares, bio sensing probes, becon tracking I cant see how you say it isnt PvP based.
The only thing you have in this revamp that will help you kill creatures as far as i can see is stealth which we have a form of right now anyway. All these changes did was take out creature stuff and add NPC/PvP stuff and THAT is why I am disappointed in the changes, I never said I hated the changes and I never said I was going to drop Ranger. It does sound like a fun profession and I am going to give it a shot but theres nothing in there that suggests I can kill a creature faster or at all by using Ranger skills anymore. And yes I can go play a Scout, and I said I was going to, but why should I have to? Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't these Para Military guys still know how to survive in the wilderness for days or weeks without food? Shouldn't there be some form of camp or animal trap in Ranger that would allow them to do so? Shouldn't they be able to track an animal still after all that Scout training they had? I don't get why Ranger can't keep the stuff we had and just add a little bit of this PvP stuff to it
GregSmith wrote:I agree with this statement, JB. I want to be creature-centric like you and Ken. While I think the changes are pretty cool and may actually even be fun to play, it's just not what I wanted or want to do with Ranger. I will give the new Ranger a chance, but I expect that I will dropping the majority of it, keeping MasterScout, and maybe pick up CH or something.
JBMat wrote:
I can't say I am enthused to see the direction that Ranger will be taking. Instead of being Masters of the Wilderness, we will be thieves.
Eh? Creature centric? Me? Must be some other Ken...
As far as I'm concerned, two legs, four legs, it's just meat on the hoof. Some of it's easier to kill, some of it's smarter than the rest. Either way, it's just hunting.
Be sorry to see you go JB, especially as at the moment it looks like - other than the NAME - Ranger will still have the potential to be the creature centric, wilderness mastering Kings o'the Wild Frontier that some of us wanted to be, but not at the cost of us becoming a totally creature centric profession that had traps which only work against critters, maybe some specials that gives us a + to hit on critters and an SP investment that keeps us tied to one single weapons mastery.
On the other side of the coin, I wish people would just drop the "oh if you want to be a creature hunter go play AD&D/WoW" nonsense. It's no more accurate or valid than the "but it's not stealing, it's high tech industrial military espionage...".
As long as there is a requirement for organic resources and creature dropped loots in Star Wars Galaxies then hunting IS as valid a part of the 'high tech, futuristic' SWG universe. (which of course IS set long ago in a galaxy far far away, etc). The dev's new vision for Ranger is moving away from that, there's no denying it, but they are preserving that organic resource gatherer by moving the skils lock stock and barrel into Scout (OK, so they are trimming some bits out, but thats a whole other argument for a whole other threead
).The new profession isn't what most of us have come to think of as "Ranger" but it's got a clearly defined identity now and it's up to people whether they want to pick up the Ranger banner and walk with it, or just fade away into some lesser profession elsewhere.
It's going to take a while for this to get to TC, it's going to (hopefully) take a while after that before it goes Live. I'll decide then whether I'm staying a hunter, staying a Ranger or going after my glowstick, hitting the end game and finally packing up camp.
Take care JB, travel well.
There'll still be rancors and dragons to molest, even if you aren't wearing twigs and pooh to do it
ScoerFusou wrote:
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
ScoerFusou wrote:
I know how you feel JB. I also am one of the oldest Rangers on our server, and I dare say I am the Ranger with the longest amount of consecutive days since I got Master somewhere around October 1st and have never dropped it. I love this profession(well what it used to be) and it kills me to see the direction it is going. I too am very close to unlocking Jedi(2 boxes) and I've been trying to find a way to keep Master Ranger and do Jedi at the same time. The only good thing about this revamp is that it DOES seem really pvp geared and if they drop the reqs I may be able to be a Master Ranger/Jedi and still be pretty decent so I think I'll give that a go. My alt, however, will not be picking Ranger back up. He will be a Master Scout with some combat and probably SL and he will most likely become my main character.
I really dont get this attitude, I mean ALL the Ranger stuff goes into Scout so you can still be creature centric, if playing 1/3 of a game is good enough for you, and youll be better at it with more combat skills. Or you can keep ranger and have even more ways to take down critters.
Or you can take Ranger and play it like a Star Wars Ranger is meant to be. Something I have wanted my Ranger to do for the past 2 years, be a ranger, not some damn bear chasing, camp setting, picnic eating, tour guide ranger that is outclassed in everything by a master scout.
I also see a lot of people saying the new Ranger is geared towards PvP. No it isnt. What it is geared towards is playing ALL areas of the game, not just creature missions. The fact is it looks like its PvP oriented is because you can see a use for things in PvP that are capable of attacking all enemies in the game. That isnt a bad thing, its what every other profession gets.
Tell me again how Ranger isn't pvp based and will help you kill creatures? 1st off Rangers now wear Recon Armor which is good verse BLASTERS.
They have Urban stealth -wont help you kill creatures
you can steal stuff - wont help you with creatures unless your trying to steal some Rancors shoes
you can trap....but oh this quote suggests it only usable on players and NPCs so i guess you wont be getting any help there either "This skill line provides schematics and skill modifiers that allow the Ranger to set traps aimed at NPC humanoids as well as other player characters in a PvP setting"
And with the detect camo and flares, bio sensing probes, becon tracking I cant see how you say it isnt PvP based.
The only thing you have in this revamp that will help you kill creatures as far as i can see is stealth which we have a form of right now anyway. All these changes did was take out creature stuff and add NPC/PvP stuff and THAT is why I am disappointed in the changes, I never said I hated the changes and I never said I was going to drop Ranger. It does sound like a fun profession and I am going to give it a shot but theres nothing in there that suggests I can kill a creature faster or at all by using Ranger skills anymore. And yes I can go play a Scout, and I said I was going to, but why should I have to? Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't these Para Military guys still know how to survive in the wilderness for days or weeks without food? Shouldn't there be some form of camp or animal trap in Ranger that would allow them to do so? Shouldn't they be able to track an animal still after all that Scout training they had? I don't get why Ranger can't keep the stuff we had and just add a little bit of this PvP stuff to it
1.) Go read the post from helios today. Rangers retain battle armor cert.
2.) Stealing at release will be limtied to NPC mission items, not general running around thievery. I.e inflitrate said base steal plans.
3.) Helios stated later that traps would useable against any targetable MOB.
Almagill wrote:
GregSmith wrote:
I agree with this statement, JB. I want to be creature-centric like you and Ken. While I think the changes are pretty cool and may actually even be fun to play, it's just not what I wanted or want to do with Ranger. I will give the new Ranger a chance, but I expect that I will dropping the majority of it, keeping MasterScout, and maybe pick up CH or something.
JBMat wrote:
I can't say I am enthused to see the direction that Ranger will be taking. Instead of being Masters of the Wilderness, we will be thieves.
Eh? Creature centric? Me? Must be some other Ken...
As far as I'm concerned, two legs, four legs, it's just meat on the hoof. Some of it's easier to kill, some of it's smarter than the rest. Either way, it's just hunting.
Be sorry to see you go JB, especially as at the moment it looks like - other than the NAME - Ranger will still have the potential to be the creature centric, wilderness mastering Kings o'the Wild Frontier that some of us wanted to be, but not at the cost of us becoming a totally creature centric profession that had traps which only work against critters, maybe some specials that gives us a + to hit on critters and an SP investment that keeps us tied to one single weapons mastery.
On the other side of the coin, I wish people would just drop the "oh if you want to be a creature hunter go play AD&D/WoW" nonsense. It's no more accurate or valid than the "but it's not stealing, it's high tech industrial military espionage...".
As long as there is a requirement for organic resources and creature dropped loots in Star Wars Galaxies then hunting IS as valid a part of the 'high tech, futuristic' SWG universe. (which of course IS set long ago in a galaxy far far away, etc). The dev's new vision for Ranger is moving away from that, there's no denying it, but they are preserving that organic resource gatherer by moving the skils lock stock and barrel into Scout (OK, so they are trimming some bits out, but thats a whole other argument for a whole other threead
The new profession isn't what most of us have come to think of as "Ranger" but it's got a clearly defined identity now and it's up to people whether they want to pick up the Ranger banner and walk with it, or just fade away into some lesser profession elsewhere.
It's going to take a while for this to get to TC, it's going to (hopefully) take a while after that before it goes Live. I'll decide then whether I'm staying a hunter, staying a Ranger or going after my glowstick, hitting the end game and finally packing up camp.
Take care JB, travel well.
There'll still be rancors and dragons to molest, even if you aren't wearing twigs and pooh to do it
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:
ScoerFusou wrote:
I know how you feel JB. I also am one of the oldest Rangers on our server, and I dare say I am the Ranger with the longest amount of consecutive days since I got Master somewhere around October 1st and have never dropped it. I love this profession(well what it used to be) and it kills me to see the direction it is going. I too am very close to unlocking Jedi(2 boxes) and I've been trying to find a way to keep Master Ranger and do Jedi at the same time. The only good thing about this revamp is that it DOES seem really pvp geared and if they drop the reqs I may be able to be a Master Ranger/Jedi and still be pretty decent so I think I'll give that a go. My alt, however, will not be picking Ranger back up. He will be a Master Scout with some combat and probably SL and he will most likely become my main character.
I really dont get this attitude, I mean ALL the Ranger stuff goes into Scout so you can still be creature centric, if playing 1/3 of a game is good enough for you, and youll be better at it with more combat skills. Or you can keep ranger and have even more ways to take down critters.Or you can take Ranger and play it like a Star Wars Ranger is meant to be. Something I have wanted my Ranger to do for the past 2 years, be a ranger, not some damn bear chasing, camp setting, picnic eating, tour guide ranger that is outclassed in everything by a master scout.
I also see a lot of people saying the new Ranger is geared towards PvP. No it isnt. What it is geared towards is playing ALL areas of the game, not just creature missions. The fact is it looks like its PvP oriented is because you can see a use for things in PvP that are capable of attacking all enemies in the game. That isnt a bad thing, its what every other profession gets.
We will be what we before... which was not good enough. A lot of people were hoping that this revamp would enhance what Ranger was, instead of making it completely different. I will not be an ultimate hunter with this revamp. My camo will now have a snare, which means I will move very slowly with it on. Not a single one of my new skills can be used while in combat so that means if my traps do not take it out ( a whole lair?) in the first detonation I pretty much have to rely on my combat profession to kill anything - just like before.
Anyone who wants to remain (or become) a effective creature hunter will most likely drop Ranger and pick up a second combat profession. Which is actually what most people who wanted to be effective creature hunters did before this revamp, and didn't like doing at all. Before you heard of this revamp would you have considered the advice "Well just drop Ranger and pick up a second combat profession if you want to be good at killing stuff and NPCs!" to be good advice? Would it have made you feel good? It certainly didn't make me feel good, and it doesn't make me feel good now either. Ranger was pretty much a liability to being able to hunt efficiently before this revamp, and it will still be a liability after this revamp. However, it will now be good at other things. For many of us the problem is we didn't want those other things as much as we wanted the dream we had of Ranger living up to the potential we saw at launch. Many of us have had those dreams for over two years, and they die hard.
I really don't understand this line: "Or you can take Ranger and play it like a Star Wars Ranger is meant to be. Something I have wanted my Ranger to do for the past 2 years, be a ranger, not some damn bear chasing, camp setting, picnic eating, tour guide ranger that is outclassed in everything by a master scout." Did you not read the description of the skills before you picked up the profession? I did - both the in-game description and the one in the manual. And I chased "bears," set camps, and yes, gave tours based on the exploration I had done. And I enjoyed it. I wouldn't have read, loved, and contributed to the Outdoorsman proposal if I didn't. The things I didnt like about the profession was that gradually other professions were able hunt, survive, and explore as well or better than I could, and do other things in addition. So I don't really understand where you are coming from. At all.
I would suggest practising a little sympathy, let us say our piece, and wish us good hunting when we move on.