Politician Archive
Thread: Politician Round Table Discussion, Week of 8.5.2005 Citizenship Inactivity
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If a player has a residential structure in town, that character should be a citizen. Once the structure is no longer there, citizenship should be revoked with it.
Apart from that, Mayors should have a method to remove/collapse structures from inactive players out of the city limits. As far as a time-frame for that, I'd say 90-days is a decent timeout. If I know a citizen is going away on military duty, or something like that, of course I won't condemn his house...hell I might even pay the upkeep out of the city treasury. So he/she has in total the amount of time it takes for me to want the structure gone, plus the 90-days in which they can say, "Hey, I'm still here." and the structure stays.
I really don't think you can talk about citizenship revocation without touching on structure cleanup.
They're not wiping servers, just planning to purge out accounts that have been cancelled for over 6 months and any deleted character's items. As far as I know, it will *only* apply to accounts that have been cancelled or deleted. Things leftover from characters that play on other servers, cross-server trades, and things of that nature will not be affected (at least as I understand it to be, which may or may not be what actually happens).
- The account has been cancelled for six months
- The structure has been paying maintenance out of the owner’s bank for one month
- The structure has been condemned for one month
This is a touchy subject.. To say the least...
Many cities NEED the cross-server housing because, quite frankly, who wants to deal with the all-to-many jerks that come around this game.
I've been playing this game since launch, and I've been involved with many cities/guilds over that time, and the far-too-few friends that remain have become a tight group. We, as players have enough to make an outpost, but that does us little good when you're in the hind-end of Lok.
If cross-server is your bane, then perhaps suggesting a new city-system that will work for everyone, because, well, it's limitless.
NEW CITY SYSTEM:
No more clutter! (housing clutter that is)
- Houses can only be placed in cities.
- Harvesters can still be placed anywhere on any planet (as it is at present).
30Cities per planet but cities are seperate instances on each populated world.
- 10 unique citizens required for starting city.
- Every city gets a City Hall
- Every city gets a Shuttleport
- Cities will not block entry to POI's or other player content.
- 450mSQUARE rather then raduis will apply but is available when city is established not based on population (planetary zoning authority grants you exactly 450m - This will allow cities to have City hall anywhere they wish, rather then dead-center of the city - which, is never the case in real life).
- When City hall is dropped, the politician is asked where the hall is to be placed and is given a list in a radial or graphic that shows the location as city-center, north-east corner, north, north-west corner, west, south-west corner, etc. etc.
- All cities are given the choice of "flat land", "Canyon" or "hillside" as a location
- The city is still "located" on the map but as a sign. You may enter by clicking "Enter City" from a radial menu.
- When citizens leave the 450mzonethey "load" into the actual planet map.
- City planning will work because you can have your layout complete without the chronic moving of houses after you reach the "next level". Once housing is able to be put into a control device this will be a moot point, but still...
Politician level grants real rewards!
- Cityban will work! Period.
- Current city levels apply for decorations and civic buildings, if population falls below the level for a civic building, the city can pay extra for it's upkeep rather then have the building/item just be removed.
- Lakes, rivers or other "natural" decorations can be added based on level of politician
Metropolis Starport!
- Master Politician can drop a City-Starport (accessable to citizens) in a Metropolis City only, but will take up a large chunk of your 450m and the cost should make it so only real thriving cities with real active players can afford it (or a city with a rich armor/weaponsmith or a loot farmer).
Message Edited by tehj on 08-11-2005 06:55 AM
Double Post - Sorry.. I thought I was logged out.. 
Message Edited by tehj on 08-11-2005 06:52 AM
tehj wrote:
This is a touchy subject.. To say the least...
Many cities NEED the cross-server housing because, quite frankly, who wants to deal with the all-to-many jerks that come around this game.
I've been playing this game since launch, and I've been involved with many cities/guilds over that time, and the far-too-few friends that remain have become a tight group. We, as players have enough to make an outpost, but that does us little good when you're in the hind-end of Lok.
If cross-server is your bane, then perhaps suggesting a new city-system that will work for everyone, because, well, it's limitless.
So because you can't be bothered to politik, as a politician, or interact with other people in this massively multiplayer game noone should? Rather than join a city and have your own district because, by any fair means, you are too small to have your ownrank 4but want all the bells, whistles, and joys that come with one you deserve to sit there with your 10 man metropolis and nuts to the people who actually put forth a modicum of effort.
My only concern for having citizens removed for their inactivity would be tied in to land use. We have limited space (thanks to locations some more than others) and potentially unlimited need for homes. If I keep getting quitters in my town with, now, impossible to blow up homes after awhile I won't have any room to replace 'em. With the house wrap up feature coming out in a few publishes or so I feel tieing that with citizen inactivity would be for the best.
These are ideas only - but if this game is to evolve, it need to understand that forcing people to play nice will not work... I've tried over the years, and every city, every guild that has ever "failed" has done so because one or more people could not get "what they wanted, when they wanted it" or felt they were not given "power".
And that is why the devs aren't acting like we're permanent additions to the game. If that was the case wouldn't we have terraforming, bazaars, and starports approved? Here's a newsflash we aren't meant to be permanent. We are part of the flux in the game and the cities that stay as metropoli for years have a reason for that and it isn't thanks to a few people bickering over power struggles and destroying it all from within.
BalmoraJung wrote:
I do have questions about being in the Politician Profession , is there any other way to make XP except for the every 3 week elections , i mean there is nothing no where else that i have read that explanes this , like scout has camping , retrieving resourses , trapping and such
What do u or should i ask what can i do to gain XP for Politician
Q: How does a Politician get experience?
A: Simply: by getting citizens to vote for them. For every vote, a Politician receives 300xp that is granted at the end of a city's three-week voting cycle (for example, if your election cycle ends in the first week of the month your next election will not end until the 4th week of the month). In addition, incumbent mayors recieve 750xp weekly. You can check the standings of the election at any time by using the voting terminal located in the main room of city hall.
While it would have been a great idea when the game started, it's much too late to limit housing only to Player Cities. As far as making Player Cities instanced zones, it's much more difficult than it sounds. It would require completely rewritting the basic planetary code as well as force all the Player Cities to start over (because they can't just be "scooped" out of the ground intact).
I don't believe *any* city needs cross-server housing. I've never understood the argument of "my friends list is always empty because everyone I know has left the game". I can agree that many of the players that used to show up on my list no longer play, but I'm always adding new people to it. There are some jerks in SWG as there are in any game, but there are far more nice people that I'd like to associate with. It *does* require meeting new people, though, which some just flat-out refuse to do.