Politician Archive
Thread: Serious Question about Players Griefing Cities.
It in no way will affect that players ability to hunt down their target and all it will serve to do is to tick that person off.
In no way do i condone the fact that these guys are griefing the citizens after the fact,nor do i feel it is fair that no action was taken by a CSR but banning them is no solution.
As to your point about sales at your vendors going down that may be due to the fact that you are banning every BH that comes to town,i diot know about you but i find a BH is usually the biggest buyer of weapons and swoops.All you accomplish there is to drive out your own buisness.
Also to make cities into safe zones in this game would just be insane.We have enough jedi grinding on their safe planet and they do not need any more advantages in this game.
I do agree with you that these instances of player abuse should actually be dealt with and that CSR's really need to start doing their job.It is our subscription fees that pay their wages,the least they can do is treat us with some respect and to keep in mind that basically they work for us,not the other way round.
Anyway thats my 2 cents.Thank you and have a great day/night.
Her city, her Rules.)
GTarrant wrote:
Im not trying to take sides here but what exactly is the point of banning a BH hunting in the city.
It in no way will affect that players ability to hunt down their target and all it will serve to do is to tick that person off.
In no way do i condone the fact that these guys are griefing the citizens after the fact,nor do i feel it is fair that no action was taken by a CSR but banning them is no solution.
As to your point about sales at your vendors going down that may be due to the fact that you are banning every BH that comes to town,i diot know about you but i find a BH is usually the biggest buyer of weapons and swoops.All you accomplish there is to drive out your own buisness.
Also to make cities into safe zones in this game would just be insane.We have enough jedi grinding on their safe planet and they do not need any more advantages in this game.
I do agree with you that these instances of player abuse should actually be dealt with and that CSR's really need to start doing their job.It is our subscription fees that pay their wages,the least they can do is treat us with some respect and to keep in mind that basically they work for us,not the other way round.
Anyway thats my 2 cents.Thank you and have a great day/night.
As for the sales going down, very few BH's that roll into our town stop to shop. I have noticed over 90% of themcome in and sit and most of the vendors are mine, and not a one of them have shopped...when I have asked the other merchants there, they have all said the same thing. So I know that it's not us ruining our sales. I was in my merchant tent the other night and asked the BH in there sitting on the floor if he was shopping and I myself was cursed out and told to ST*U or nothing that I had would sell thanks to this guy and his friends and guildmates. So I banned him from my Tent.
You are right on the CSR's need to treat us with respect since, yes we do pay their wages, and I did report this guy and he just laughed at me and spit in my char face and sat there and slapped Arynnn and continued to spit and call me filthy names....Nothing was done on this matter as well. BH's get more free reign and get away with so much more than Jedi.
BH's don't have to lose Thousands of XP or even Millions of XP like the Jedi do. They get to go to the Terms and hunt them down and when Jedi complain they are whinners and it's "Their Fault because they should have known better than go Jedi".....well, This game told people when they launched it that people could play a Jedi. BH's need to be nerfed even more, and I think SOE needs to take a Long strong look at what They have created....a game that allows people to harass, grief, and abuse other Real Human Beings. There should be some sort of a way to actually file a suit against SOE for allowing the abuse to go on and happen.
If someone has a stress disorder and they Pay to play a game as stress reliever, and they file report after report and so on and so on, and nothing gets donw...I think that's Abiding in the Stress Build up and Esteem tear down by other players harassing, griefing, and abusing others, on the Behalf of SOE.
Anyway, I think the DEVS need to allow cities to have the same cloak effect as the FS Vilage to those that have been City banned. I think it would benifit others as well.
I can't remmeber how to do a clicky but here's the Url to her post that ThunderHeart posted on.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Politician&message.id=50140
Message Edited by Arynnn on 08-07-2005 04:15 PM
Arynnn wrote:
I can't remmeber how to do a clicky but here's the Url to her post that ThunderHeart posted on.
Message Edited by Arynnn on 08-07-2005 04:15 PM
IMO, banning a bounty hunter from the city is griefing, not the other way around. The BH is doing his job the way they game dictates. He's there to hunt a Jedi, and it's not his or her fault the Jedi is taking refuge in any particular city.
This is after all a roleplaying game. The BH is breaking no rules by waiting for an opportunity to 'do his job' and kill the Jedi. He's not camping, he's waiting. If everyone leaves the BH alone, he will leave everyone else alone, it's the Jedi he's after, and being city banned as a BH for simply trying to play the game is very annoying so it's no wonder temperatures rise.
It still amazes me that people think a BH hunting his prey is considered a grief, but a mayor or militia member who bans the BH for doing nothing other than his job is not.
Calel_Haven wrote:IMO, banning a bounty hunter from the city is griefing, not the other way around. The BH is doing his job the way they game dictates. He's there to hunt a Jedi, and it's not his or her fault the Jedi is taking refuge in any particular city.
This is after all a roleplaying game. The BH is breaking no rules by waiting for an opportunity to 'do his job' and kill the Jedi. He's not camping, he's waiting. If everyone leaves the BH alone, he will leave everyone else alone, it's the Jedi he's after, and being city banned as a BH for simply trying to play the game is very annoying so it's no wonder temperatures rise.
It still amazes me that people think a BH hunting his prey is considered a grief, but a mayor or militia member who bans the BH for doing nothing other than his job is not.
Neither is griefing.
Bh is doing their job hunting.
Mayor/Militia is doing their job protecting their citizens.
Most guilds and towns have some policy on this and it is a consequence of being a BH that you can get banned, and in turn you lose possible sales at your towns vendors.
The case in the thread though with harrassment and abusive language should have been dealt with quickly as noone should have to put up with that sort of abuse.
Oblox wrote:
Calel_Haven wrote:
IMO, banning a bounty hunter from the city is griefing, not the other way around. The BH is doing his job the way they game dictates. He's there to hunt a Jedi, and it's not his or her fault the Jedi is taking refuge in any particular city.
This is after all a roleplaying game. The BH is breaking no rules by waiting for an opportunity to 'do his job' and kill the Jedi. He's not camping, he's waiting. If everyone leaves the BH alone, he will leave everyone else alone, it's the Jedi he's after, and being city banned as a BH for simply trying to play the game is very annoying so it's no wonder temperatures rise.
It still amazes me that people think a BH hunting his prey is considered a grief, but a mayor or militia member who bans the BH for doing nothing other than his job is not.
Neither is griefing.
Bh is doing their job hunting.
Mayor/Militia is doing their job protecting their citizens.
Most guilds and towns have some policy on this and it is a consequence of being a BH that you can get banned, and in turn you lose possible sales at your towns vendors.
The case in the thread though with harrassment and abusive language should have been dealt with quickly as noone should have to put up with that sort of abuse.
QFE!
Very well put
Nice put Oblox.
As for the point of roleplaying, the BH is doing his job, and the Mayor of the city he hunts in bans him for breaking the cities laws. The point here indeed is, that those BHs wanted to harrass those people and succeeded in it - this shpuld be dealt with.
Well, If you would go and Read what Kurt ThunderHeart said about Mayors Banning them, After all a Clicky was so very kindly made.
Calel_Haven wrote:
IMO, banning a bounty hunter from the city is griefing, not the other way around. The BH is doing his job the way they game dictates. He's there to hunt a Jedi, and it's not his or her fault the Jedi is taking refuge in any particular city.
This is after all a roleplaying game. The BH is breaking no rules by waiting for an opportunity to 'do his job' and kill the Jedi. He's not camping, he's waiting. If everyone leaves the BH alone, he will leave everyone else alone, it's the Jedi he's after, and being city banned as a BH for simply trying to play the game is very annoying so it's no wonder temperatures rise.
It still amazes me that people think a BH hunting his prey is considered a grief, but a mayor or militia member who bans the BH for doing nothing other than his job is not.
*Thank you for who did the clicky.*maybe you would think twice. It's not griefing them at all. No one had bothered these BH's and since you are only one sided on this matter, I'm prone to think You are a BH. Like I said, read the Clicky. They harassed our Mayor and everyone that came in to shop. No one said a word to the BH...but hey, you aren't going to believe anyone else anyway. We had 6 people there reporting. When The BH's get to Egotistical, it's time to have the devs give mayors and citizens an alternitive way to deal with them.i have read these forums alot and never before has the desire to sign up and type a response so over whelmed me as this one....i think that mayor deserves a medal of honour and of patience....truely her heart is in the best interest of her residents....politicians like that are hard to find...as for those BH...well SOE should completely ban them from all games....for they have lost focus on what games are....fun for all who play....
To those BH's.....only got 1 thing to say
....."GET A LIFE AND STOP RUINING THE GAME FOR THOSE OF US WHO WANT OT HAVE FUN"
and KUDOS to those who do stand up against such childish behaviour....
Usually when this happens to my city, I log on to my combat alt, get my guys together, then blow up every opposing faction base they have, and otherwise destroy, pillage, and burn my way through their city.
It works. I havent had a griefing incident in awhile. Most of our enemies know the consequences now. Some are even so scared they dont put up bases anymore, despite being heavily faction oriented guilds.
I myself have been harassed many times and have reported many people for cursing at me and my friends and for sending us very foul tells and received absolutly no help from CSR's.
However after that point i still disagree with you over is your stance on BH's,yes i was one myself.To say that sitting in your city to wait for a jedi should be illegal isnt right.It takes a BH quite some time to track a target and if that jedi decides to goto a player city and the BH has to leave that just isnt right.Now if they sit there cursing everyone out THAT is a problem.
While you can say that most who play BH have no respect for the game keep in mind the profession was made as a deliberate way to keep jedi in check,and it does not do too good a job of it.I dare say the biggest trash talkers on my server(Gorath) are all jedi.
That said i really do think that this game needs more policing by CSR's on the harassment issue,i think this game would be so much better and enjoyable if we didnt have to put up with people acting like idiots toward others.
And just because i feel the need cause im also a master weaponsmith id like to say about 60% of my sales are to BH's you may consider banning them to be protecting your citizens but i have pointed out that never stops a BH from hunting your jedi.Ask yourself who it hurts more the BH or your towns vendors.Is it worth it to use a ban that is ineffective and sacrifice your cities economy?While i doubt they'd go shopping while they are hunting they do shop,they have to.