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Thread: Serious Question about Players Griefing Cities.
The other problem with banning is there is no time limit on the ban, Its permanent. I know a lot of people that havent been a bounty hunter for many months yet they are still banned from half the planets cities.
Banning mayors are the griefers not the BH's..
mxxpower wrote:
The other problem with banning is there is no time limit on the ban, Its permanent. I know a lot of people that havent been a bounty hunter for many months yet they are still banned from half the planets cities.
Banning mayors are the griefers not the BH's..
ROFL!
What hole did you just crawl out of? I'm sorry, but mayors and their city militia do *usually* have city laws they follow. It's easy for that 1 BH to send a tell to the mayor asking for a pardon if possible - but in most cases this NEVER happens and they just go on a long rant cursing us out. Anyone that disrespects myself or my citizens in ANY shape or form will get banned immediately. You apparently are very 1 sided on this issue which is quite disheartening.
There is only one way jedis get on the terminals: visibility. If they become visible enough to be on the terms, then it is a BH's right to hunt them.
Banning BH on sight deprives them of doing their job and playing their game. Jedi know the consequences of visibility. If they opt to go visible, they know they will risk loosing their XP. I don't think it is a mayor's job to protect them from game mechanics of which they are well aware.
If a BH harrasses players, then that is one thing. I agree, ban them/put in a /report and let the CSRs do their job; however, If they opt to sit in a public building and wait for the jedi to log back in and cause no harm or harrassment to others, that is their perogative and I don't believe they should be banned or harrassed for this activity.
As a mayor, I do my best to provide a nice place to live but I cannot and will not protect citizens from themselves. That, in essence is what we do when we ban BH simply because they want to hunt Jedi within our city limits.
Stasia
I’m deeply sympathetic to the plight of your city and find it tragic that there is no means for a Mayor to safeguard their population from people like this. Just as the Bounty Hunter has a right to Hunt Jedi, Mayors and Militia has the right to ban people from cities and structure owners have the right to ban people from entry. NOBODY has the right to harass others.
The EULA exists to set guidelines to protect the player community from abusive actions by other players and part of the reason for having CSR is to enforce the EULA. Without enforcement the EULA is nothing more than a CYA however this gives rightful cause for victims of abuse to be highly critical of poor customer service.
For many folks a Player City is the heart of a community where they can immerse themselves in the Star Wars setting in their own way with some limited control over layout and decorum. Ultimately it is a sense of community that keeps folks playing a game and Player Cities and Player Associations are the heart and soul of the Star Wars Galaxies Community.
When a community is harassed in this way it weakens the very fabric of the game for many people and if this is undone people loose enjoyment in the game and leave. Any individual or group that actively pursues the disruption of a community and evidence indisputably verifies this intention should be dealt with decisively by SOE’s CSR.
If they can not do their jobs due to resource constraints or some other reason then Player Communities should be empowered to do it themselves. I realize this has been abused in the past but a player that lives in a community has no choice but to be there and those who visit do.
Folks can argue about the BH/Jedi relations and Mayor/Militia Empowerment until they are blue in the face but the fundamental fact is nobody has the right to grief or harass others and SOE needs to take decisive action or the situation will continue to degrade.
Anistra wrote:
Banning BH on sight deprives them of doing their job and playing their game. No it doesn't as they can go pick up a different bounty. Jedi know the consequences of visibility. If they opt to go visible, they know they will risk loosing their XP. I don't think it is a mayor's job to protect them from game mechanics of which they are well aware. Mayors and Militia have the ability to /cityban and structure owners have the ability to set structures private or ban individuals or PA. They can do these things for whatever reason they deem appropriate which includes providing safe refuge for a Jedi.
If a BH harrasses players, then that is one thing. I agree, ban them/put in a /report and let the CSRs do their job; however, If they opt to sit in a public building and wait for the jedi to log back in and cause no harm or harrassment to others, that is their perogative and I don't believe they should be banned or harrassed for this activity. See above; The structure owner has the right to determine who has and has not access to a structure they own.
As a mayor, I do my best to provide a nice place to live but I cannot and will not protect citizens from themselves. That, in essence is what we do when we ban BH simply because they want to hunt Jedi within our city limits.
If someone wants a peaceful community free from Bounty Hunters or Faction Conflict or people with Blue Hair that is their right.
If you are using /report and they are being abusive, then they will likely have action taken against their accounts. Especially if they have multiple reports against them.
It will take a few days though. Heck, it might even take more than a week.They're not going to be instantly banned the minute (or even the hour... or day...) you type /report.
After you /report them, just /addignore and continue about your business.
The BH hunting Jedi part of it and the Mayor /cityban-ning the BHs is all within the mechanics of the game, and fair play. Jedi know the risk of being hunted when they choose that path. And BHs know the risk of being banned froma city when they follow a mark there.
Other than that they can hardly do anything but waste there time if you ignore them.
It is even understandable that they are upset that a Jedi logs off instead of stand and fight when a single Bounty Hunter comes. That's not an excuse for such asocial behaviour though.
mxxpower wrote:
How about this..
Why not be a proactive mayor and ban everyone with a BH tag over their head.
Go sit in theed and take down names, perma ban every BH you see.
I have been banned in cities I have never even hunted at, and yes I have asked for an explanation and recieved none.
Again who is the griefer here?
I have been banned from towns the Jedi i was tracking don't even live in.
The only justification for banning is harassment.
Also take into account that a bounty hunter has no idea who is is going after now, so he is unable to avoid any given person or town.
*oh and I'm not a BH anymore, Im a full template Jedi and taking over mayoral duties for our town.
Message Edited by mxxpower on 08-09-2005 12:18 PM
So Imperials can't ban Rebels and vice versa? There are other reasons for banning people. One popular reason for banning is just being annoying.
I'll start by repeating: Just as the BH has the right to hunt Jedi, Mayors and Militia have the right to ban people.
Arynnn wrote:
...BH's come to Bounty the Jedi in our City. She bans them on site...
For instance...about a week ago, some guy was going after one of her citizens, a BH, she citybanned him, than asked him to leave when the Jedi logged off. He cussed her out, called her filthy names, and than harassed the other citizens to no end.
mxxpower wrote:
Why not be a proactive mayor and ban everyone with a BH tag over their head. Go sit in theed and take down names, perma ban every BH you see. I have been banned in cities I have never even hunted at, and yes I have asked for an explanation and recieved none.
Again who is the griefer here?
What you describe has nothing to do with what was said by the poster. What does banning do to you? NOTHING. So you can't use their shuttle or cloner; big whoop. The reason for the initial ban hold no import in my mind as the Mayor has the right to ban whomever they see fit.
Camping the city, spamming hateful tells at everyone that visits and doing so on a repeated basis is griefing and is a violation of the EULA and the BH in question and his friends are in violation of that agreement that theymake every time they log into the game and should be held accountable to it.
In one case it's a mild inconvenience and the BH can easily stay way from the city. In the other case people have business interests and homes that they have to return too. It would be generous for me to say your comparison is misguided.
I have a simple rule in my city. If an Overt Imperial comes to the city I represent they are banned. If they harass me about it I /addignore and I know I made the right decision. If they say it was an accident without threats ormaliceI apologize andI pardon them (Unless of course they are repeat offenders and/or have been involved in the murder of a visiter or resident of the city)
Based on my personal experience and policies the stated Mayor was enforcing a local ordinance. While the banning requires no justification this is a case where there absolutely was justification and it is unfortunate that greater consequences could come unto those who would harass a community as the BH and his cohorts have done.
Message Edited by Fidgiter on 08-09-2005 03:19 PM
Fuzzbutt78 wrote:
Ionly wish there was a way to have your city laws posted for everyone arriving to see, so they have the chance to follow that cities rules.
A city message of the day would be cool. Whenever someone enters and exits the city they get a message of the Mayor's Choosing.
For example
/motd enter Welcome to Dune Retreat! If you have any questions about business opportunities contact Feliz. If you are Imperial Special forces or are here to kill a Jedi be advised that this is not permitted.
/motd exit I hope you enjoyed your stay in Dune Retreat! May the force be with you (but be sure nobody sees)
Fidgiter wrote:
Fuzzbutt78 wrote:
Ionly wish there was a way to have your city laws posted for everyone arriving to see, so they have the chance to follow that cities rules.
A city message of the day would be cool. Whenever someone enters and exits the city they get a message of the Mayor's Choosing.
For example
/motd enter Welcome to Dune Retreat! If you have any questions about business opportunities contact Feliz. If you are Imperial Special forces or are here to kill a Jedi be advised that this is not permitted.
/motd exit I hope you enjoyed your stay in Dune Retreat! May the force be with you (but be sure nobody sees)
Now you got me really wanting a motd!
