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Manberries
Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:27 pm
#1
Okay, this question is for all of my fellow politicians. I am mayor of Hopeless Ruins, Lok on the Radiant server. We have a citizen who apparantly has a beef with our guildleader and a couple other people. He then refuses to speak to those people about what the problem is. Before we knew about this, he was granted zoning rights to place a house, which he has done before as he has been a city/guild member for quite some time with no trouble, and went on to place a house directly in front of our shuttleport in space we were planning on using for bases. Now, he has refused to remove it until he speaks with these people, and continues to taunt us about it which I have screenshots of. Now, does this action constitute griefing and/or harassment? If any of you have ever run into this problem, what did you do about it? We usually place houses for our citizens and then /transferstructure to them, but made an exception in this case since he's been a citizen for quite sometime. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Ridi
Mayor, Hopeless Ruins, Lok
Radiant
Thank you,
Ridi
Mayor, Hopeless Ruins, Lok
Radiant
Pappi
Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:32 pm
#2
if you still have the proof, you can try to contact a CSR... although as I recall they don't really like screenshots because they can be "fixed up". try anyway, it wouldn't hurt 
Wilewea
Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:38 pm
#3
Have you tried contacting CSR?
I dont know if this falls under the exact terms of griefing (ie. placing structures in the attemt to annoy others?) As you yourself gave him the right to do so.
If this is not a matter for aCSR, i would suggest you talk to the guy, try and solve the problem (if possible..)between himand the people, that he seems to have problems with & vice versa(?).
If he still refuses to removehis house, there is 2 things you can do that i can think of, either move the shuttleport to another location, or try and buy him out.
Wile.
Message Edited by Wilewea on 01-24-2005 11:42 AM
pogocreek
Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:36 am
#4
ooh that sounds like a pain in the ass hehe. if csr's cant move it for u id try and reach some kind of compramise with the dude. u might b quicker trying to resolve the underling conflict and getting him to play nice than waiting for the game cops to sort it hehe i had the same kinda prob b4 with a load of harvesters when we used to share our city with another guild. got it sorted after bout an hours worth of mediation tholol
should really give mayors the power to move or destroy structures for theese extreme circumstances tho. could take like a week to destroy a structure or something so that the owner can have time to appeal the decision.
i had the same kinda prob b4 with a load of harvesters when we used to share our city with another guild. got it sorted after bout an hours worth of mediation thololshould really give mayors the power to move or destroy structures for theese extreme circumstances tho. could take like a week to destroy a structure or something so that the owner can have time to appeal the decision.
Manberries
Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:08 am
#5
I've tried talking with the guy, he refuses. He's paid like 200 days of maint on the house and the title reads "All your base are belong to us", which I admit is kinda clever. I wouldn't mind moving the shuttleport, it's just that the house is in space which we were leaving open to place our bases. It just seems like he's leaving the house there to piss us off and taunt us about it. I sent a ticket a couple days ago and haven't recieved a response yet but what from I hear, there is probably nothing I can do about it and the CSR's probably won't either. Thanks for the responses though guys.
-Ridi
Mayor of Hopeless Ruins, Lok
Radiant
-Ridi
Mayor of Hopeless Ruins, Lok
Radiant
Xplak
Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:00 pm
#6
I had a situation slightly different yet similar in some ways to yours. A member of my guild and city had been harrasing a number of female members of our guild, even when asked to stop he continued, so I removed him from guild. Due to the lack of powers to ban a person from the city once they are citizenI couldn't do anything to stop him keeping his house in town. He quickly renamed his houses to somthing along the lines of:
"It's Xplak's way or the Highway - Stay away from the Argonian Ryders and Xplak they are a dictatorship regieme"
Naturally I wasn't happy to have this house stuck out like a sore thumb in town. So I contacted the CSR's. Their first response was somthing along the lines of a standard response, with it basically comprising of:
"I'm afraid this doesn't break our house naming policy."
Obviously I wasn't happy with this reply, so I brought up SOE's complete policies and spent an hour reading and re-reading every one of them. I then proceded to write a several paragraph long ticket outlining to them why my situation classified as harrasment and why it was their duty and self written policy to rename and remove this house.
After sending this ticket I got a reply within about 10 minutes (fastest reply I've gotten to date) with a helpfull CSR who was able to rename the house, but at my request leave the house as it added to our citizenship totals.
My advice simply would be to read SOE's policies and take quotations and exerts that support what you want and use it to your advantage. What they say can usually be worded to fix your situation and I'm sure that a ticket with policy in makes the CSR's think.
Manberries
Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:54 am
#7
Xplak wrote:I had a situation slightly different yet similar in some ways to yours. A member of my guild and city had been harrasing a number of female members of our guild, even when asked to stop he continued, so I removed him from guild. Due to the lack of powers to ban a person from the city once they are citizen I couldn't do anything to stop him keeping his house in town. He quickly renamed his houses to somthing along the lines of:"It's Xplak's way or the Highway - Stay away from the Argonian Ryders and Xplak they are a dictatorship regieme"Naturally I wasn't happy to have this house stuck out like a sore thumb in town. So I contacted the CSR's. Their first response was somthing along the lines of a standard response, with it basically comprising of:"I'm afraid this doesn't break our house naming policy."Obviously I wasn't happy with this reply, so I brought up SOE's complete policies and spent an hour reading and re-reading every one of them. I then proceded to write a several paragraph long ticket outlining to them why my situation classified as harrasment and why it was their duty and self written policy to rename and remove this house.After sending this ticket I got a reply within about 10 minutes (fastest reply I've gotten to date) with a helpfull CSR who was able to rename the house, but at my request leave the house as it added to our citizenship totals.My advice simply would be to read SOE's policies and take quotations and exerts that support what you want and use it to your advantage. What they say can usually be worded to fix your situation and I'm sure that a ticket with policy in makes the CSR's think.
Great suggestion man. Thank you very much, I will definitely try and do the same thing you did.
-Ridi
Mayor of Hopeless Ruins, Lok
Radiant
MTolwyn
Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:53 am
#8
fact is that a CSR will never remove a building unless it blocks access to another one
in a city on bria it happened that after a guild internal war, someone placed several houses on the main square between city hall, shuttle and guildhalls.
Mayor tried to get it removed as he called it harrasment, but CSR s told him that a citizen can place it s house where ever he wants unless it blocks entry to another house
Xplak
Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:12 am
#9
MTolwyn wrote:
fact is that a CSR will never remove a building unless it blocks access to another one
in a city on bria it happened that after a guild internal war, someone placed several houses on the main square between city hall, shuttle and guildhalls.
Mayor tried to get it removed as he called it harrasment, but CSR s told him that a citizen can place it s house where ever he wants unless it blocks entry to another house
Just try a different CSR. They are all different and there doesn't seem to be much corelation (sp?) between them.
MTolwyn
Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:01 am
#10
Xplak wrote:
Just try a different CSR. They are all different and there doesn't seem to be much corelation (sp?) between them.
different CSR, same answer
hehe yea i know thats rare but sometimeit happens that 2 or more have the same opinion on the "laws" of the game
Janann
Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:58 am
#11
Usually I placenew houses myself and use /transferstructure. Sometimes I give zoning, but try to avoid that. Once our new citizen was not happywiththe place I suggested, so she run away towardsan area reserved for a base. I revokedher rightsremotelyand heard distant cursing
So it's not a bad idea to place houses yourself, or give zoning AND revoke it after the structure is placed and keep the command nearby, maybe in your toolbar.
yoda101705
Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:01 am
#12
Janann wrote:
Usually I placenew houses myself and use /transferstructure. Sometimes I give zoning, but try to avoid that. Once our new citizen was not happywiththe place I suggested, so she run away towardsan area reserved for a base. I revokedher rightsremotelyand heard distant cursing
So it's not a bad idea to place houses yourself, or give zoning AND revoke it after the structure is placed and keep the command nearby, maybe in your toolbar.
I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly what I do and I have very few problems. In fact, the only problem I am having now is deciding what to do with a sescond guild hall in our city. Originally, I placed the guild hall and used /transferstructure to transfer it to this person so he could use it as his mall. Since then, he has decided to play off and on and his mall has folded for the most part. Now, as my city moves to Rank 3, I am looking for room for clone/med centers and another guild hall (another guild wants to move in). Thanks to terrain difficulties and the fact that I want to follow my city plan as much as possible, this old guild hall is in my way. Now I have to find a way to encourage him to move it... even if it means bribery. The point is, I palced the guild hall for him and he pays his taxes like any other citizen. So, this is more of a problem I created myself than it is anything else.
Time to dig myself out of my own hole....
KJFett
Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:49 am
#13
Janann wrote:
Usually I placenew houses myself and use /transferstructure. Sometimes I give zoning, but try to avoid that. Once our new citizen was not happywiththe place I suggested, so she run away towardsan area reserved for a base. I revokedher rightsremotelyand heard distant cursing
So it's not a bad idea to place houses yourself, or give zoning AND revoke it after the structure is placed and keep the command nearby, maybe in your toolbar.
QFE
This is the way to do it. Giving out zoning rights without having the situation in clear control and the person in your sights is just not handling your responsibilities well.
as for the city on Lok....negotiate with him and the other party. The situation is not beyond repair. If you need help..a 3rd unbiased party to help, let me know...
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