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Thread: Any word on Sales Tax changes?

Ham-Jo
Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:59 am
#1

Im just wondering with all the changes coming up....if anything was done with player cities and all.


I know its a far cry...but to hear something about whats going on from Pappi once in a while would be really nice.



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Rodian-Bob
Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:09 pm
#2

No word. Not for the past month or two since I joined the Political Scene.


They dropped the point requirement for Politician specifcally so they wouldn't feel pressed to fix a lot of the issues, so personally I don't expect that it will be fixed before Q1 of 2006.


Hey they could surprise me though.


btw, an urban legend holds that a sales tax of EXACTLY 10% does work. The down side is that charging a 10% sales tax will run all your merchants out of town.



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Ham-Jo
Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:10 pm
#3

Its a shame that we dont have a coorespondent that wont answer questions on this forum.


There is a number of people asking for help that is answered by the politician community, that Pappi doesnt even touch on. The community should do this, and its fantastic that we do......but shouldnt the coorespondent talk with us more?


Making a City Issue thread every week doesnt make you a coorespondent. She spends more time in other forums that she does here. Her post history shows it. She hasnt even posted here in 4 days. Im not trying to be ignorant......but there doesnt seem to be any involvement from her at all. NO issues have been fixed at all. Sales tax has been broken since pub 9. THats over a YEAR ago.


Maybe im just bitter......but it seems we as a politician community talk and do more for each other than she does. SHe spends more time in the tailor forums than here. Shoudnt she at least answer questions here for people that ask them? Shoudlnt she do what other coorespondents do and say this is what im doing so often?


Im just getting tired of this profession being ignored.



ham-jo
master of all that is nWo . master politician
proud founder of the new world order
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.

Pappi
Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:43 pm
#4

I don't have an answer for you. I having enough trouble getting answers to the CU-related politician questions (no, I don't know how specializations work yet, no details were given to me and my city isn't big enough to test them yet) my job is to communicate to the devs, and communicate to the forum when I receive information from the devs, which I don't right now because everyone's concentrating on the CU. I don't like it any more than you guys do.

as I've said this before... my job is to relate the community concerns to the devs on another forum, which I have been doing. I am not, and can't be responsible for the lack of dev attention because their priorities are elsewhere. I read every post on the politician forum, and I don't see why when I'm a also tailor/ merchant/ CM/ dancer/ musician/ TKA/ ranger/ etc that it's a problem for me to participate in other forums.




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Falech
Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:05 pm
#5








Ham-Jo wrote:

Its a shame that we dont have a coorespondent that wont answer questions on this forum.


There is a number of people asking for help that is answered by the politician community, that Pappi doesnt even touch on. The community should do this, and its fantastic that we do......but shouldnt the coorespondent talk with us more?


Making a City Issue thread every week doesnt make you a coorespondent. She spends more time in other forums that she does here. Her post history shows it. She hasnt even posted here in 4 days. Im not trying to be ignorant......but there doesnt seem to be any involvement from her at all. NO issues have been fixed at all. Sales tax has been broken since pub 9. THats over a YEAR ago.


Maybe im just bitter......but it seems we as a politician community talk and do more for each other than she does. SHe spends more time in the tailor forums than here. Shoudnt she at least answer questions here for people that ask them? Shoudlnt she do what other coorespondents do and say this is what im doing so often?


Im just getting tired of this profession being ignored.






Hmm... Funny how you contradict yourself here, because in your first line you complain about something weapparently lack in the current correspondentand then you go on about accusing that same correspondent of being like what you just said she isn't


No, seriously now... Quit harrassing Pappi will you? She did a great job in the past and is still doing so. But she doesn't get paid to do what she does, so she doesn't answer to you or anyone else. We may think she should but we can't expect her to. You can't expect her to pop in here every hour of the day to answer questions for people too lazy to use the search function.It's not like this is her daytime job now is it? Correspondents do notexist to cater to our every whim, now do they?And Pappi has a real life as well. Really.


If you could be troubled to follow this particular board a bitand read older posts, you'd see that Pappi herself has stated numerous times that she does a lot behind the scenes, working on the devs via the boards only accessible to them and thecorrespondents.


She has also stated on numerous occassions that the developers have indicated to her that the Politician profession isn't going to see any developer attention anytime soon,which we all crave by the way.


So, quit harrassing her and start exercising a little patience. I don't like this status quo any bit more than you do. Nor does anyone else currently in the Politician business. But Pappi is not at fault here, on the contrary! Harrass the developer team about it, if you think that helps,or quit your account ifyou can't put up with it any longer. Butdon't bash the innocent


Quite frankly, your attitude is rude at the best: you hold someone, powerless in that particular area,responsible for something she doesn't control, because you are oblivious to all the facts. Do you know what we call someone like that in the real world of politics? (A politician, so perhapsI shouldn't be too harsh on you because you'reactually acting your part here )


We should be grateful to Pappi that she even wants to do this thankless job for us: no pay,no secondary benefits, having to perform acts of diplomacy to the devs on our behalf, being put on hold by themand then having to duck from all the negative comments we throw at her, and to the devs via her. I can't blame her for residing in different forums from time to time, especially because sheplays other professions as well.


And now, back on topic. As far as the sales tax issue, use the search and please read back. It was mentioned on occassion, some time ago. But to answer your question: there has been an answer. The Politician profession is not a priority for the developer team right now and there was no indication given about when it is going to be.


Edit: Ah Pappi, you beat me to it

Message Edited by Falech on 04-16-2005 11:16 PM

Khristen
Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:22 pm
#6






Rodian-Bob wrote:

btw, an urban legend holds that a sales tax of EXACTLY 10% does work. The down side is that charging a 10% sales tax will run all your merchants out of town.





It *did* work at exactly 10%, but even that got broken with the addition of the galaxy-wide vendor search.







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Ham-Jo
Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:18 pm
#7






Falech wrote:








Ham-Jo wrote:

Its a shame that we dont have a coorespondent that wont answer questions on this forum.


There is a number of people asking for help that is answered by the politician community, that Pappi doesnt even touch on. The community should do this, and its fantastic that we do......but shouldnt the coorespondent talk with us more?


Making a City Issue thread every week doesnt make you a coorespondent. She spends more time in other forums that she does here. Her post history shows it. She hasnt even posted here in 4 days. Im not trying to be ignorant......but there doesnt seem to be any involvement from her at all. NO issues have been fixed at all. Sales tax has been broken since pub 9. THats over a YEAR ago.


Maybe im just bitter......but it seems we as a politician community talk and do more for each other than she does. SHe spends more time in the tailor forums than here. Shoudnt she at least answer questions here for people that ask them? Shoudlnt she do what other coorespondents do and say this is what im doing so often?


Im just getting tired of this profession being ignored.






Hmm... Funny how you contradict yourself here, because in your first line you complain about something weapparently lack in the current correspondentand then you go on about accusing that same correspondent of being like what you just said she isn't


No, seriously now... Quit harrassing Pappi will you? She did a great job in the past and is still doing so. But she doesn't get paid to do what she does, so she doesn't answer to you or anyone else. We may think she should but we can't expect her to. You can't expect her to pop in here every hour of the day to answer questions for people too lazy to use the search function.It's not like this is her daytime job now is it? Correspondents do notexist to cater to our every whim, now do they?And Pappi has a real life as well. Really.


If you could be troubled to follow this particular board a bitand read older posts, you'd see that Pappi herself has stated numerous times that she does a lot behind the scenes, working on the devs via the boards only accessible to them and thecorrespondents.


She has also stated on numerous occassions that the developers have indicated to her that the Politician profession isn't going to see any developer attention anytime soon,which we all crave by the way.


So, quit harrassing her and start exercising a little patience. I don't like this status quo any bit more than you do. Nor does anyone else currently in the Politician business. But Pappi is not at fault here, on the contrary! Harrass the developer team about it, if you think that helps,or quit your account ifyou can't put up with it any longer. Butdon't bash the innocent


Quite frankly, your attitude is rude at the best: you hold someone, powerless in that particular area,responsible for something she doesn't control, because you are oblivious to all the facts. Do you know what we call someone like that in the real world of politics? (A politician, so perhapsI shouldn't be too harsh on you because you'reactually acting your part here )


We should be grateful to Pappi that she even wants to do this thankless job for us: no pay,no secondary benefits, having to perform acts of diplomacy to the devs on our behalf, being put on hold by themand then having to duck from all the negative comments we throw at her, and to the devs via her. I can't blame her for residing in different forums from time to time, especially because sheplays other professions as well.


And now, back on topic. As far as the sales tax issue, use the search and please read back. It was mentioned on occassion, some time ago. But to answer your question: there has been an answer. The Politician profession is not a priority for the developer team right now and there was no indication given about when it is going to be.


Edit: Ah Pappi, you beat me to it


Message Edited by Falech on 04-16-2005 11:16 PM




I appreciate the response, even though you really didnt understand what i was gettting at.


There are alwys questions that are raised on this forum that are answer by the community,........which is great and i love it......but Pappi is no where to be seen. Do i think that she needs to be here every hour? No i do not....i understand that we all have a life outside of the game....and was in no means saying that she shouldnt have one.


This is the only forum that im involved in that the coorsepondent doest interact with the community of their forum on a reg basis. Except now the Armorsmith forum, which has no correspondent now.


What im saying that maybe concerns like mine here, wouldnt be brought up so much if she was talking with us on a daily basis....something that EVERY other correspondent does.





ham-jo
master of all that is nWo . master politician
proud founder of the new world order
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.

DarkHelmet-TIO
Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:57 am
#8

Yes, is sales tax getting fixed or what? I've had to raise income tax to 2000 and property tax to 20% to keep up with our metropolis. I'd just like to know what's going on.
PsychoticChipmunk
Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:19 am
#9






Ham-Jo wrote:


There are alwys questions that are raised on this forum that are answer by the community,........which is great and i love it......but Pappi is no where to be seen. Do i think that she needs to be here every hour? No i do not....i understand that we all have a life outside of the game....and was in no means saying that she shouldnt have one.


This is the only forum that im involved in that the coorsepondent doest interact with the community of their forum on a reg basis. Except now the Armorsmith forum, which has no correspondent now.


What im saying that maybe concerns like mine here, wouldnt be brought up so much if she was talking with us on a daily basis....something that EVERY other correspondent does.




If she's not here every hour, yet the community at large is then why do you believe she should be able to answer questions faster? Should she re-answer questions that now no longer exist as questions? Should she respond at least once in every thread regardless of how pertinent that response would be?


She's a forumite just like everyone else without a Red/Gold name the only difference is she gets to see a couple special forums. I can see the Alpha boards, does this make me somehow more responsible for my posting behaviour? Do I have to post in any one forum more than another due to this?


And for the latter part, I am truly curious...what is it she should talk to us about? Grand sweeping design change ideas that will not be implimented? Possible tweaks to the skills and abilities (even though we need big plans and a revamp more than tweaks) that, again, won't be implimented? Approaches to city specific problems as they crop up that can truly only be decided by the person at hand regardless of the guidance others give him? How to make a good cheese fondu?


It has been said that we aren't going to be given much dev attention for awhile, ( )just like many crafting professions or entertainer professions, due to other factors. Namely the combat re-write and new expansion. With that in mind what exactly is there for us to truly discuss that will have any relevance in the game? Sure there is plenty to chat about but that involves forumers chatting, not community representatives working their role.




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bluejanus
Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:11 pm
#10








Ham-Jo wrote:


I appreciate the response, even though you really didnt understand what i was gettting at.


There are alwys questions that are raised on this forum that are answer by the community,........which is great and i love it......but Pappi is no where to be seen. Do i think that she needs to be here every hour? No i do not....i understand that we all have a life outside of the game....and was in no means saying that she shouldnt have one.


This is the only forum that im involved in that the coorsepondent doest interact with the community of their forum on a reg basis. Except now the Armorsmith forum, which has no correspondent now.


What im saying that maybe concerns like mine here, wouldnt be brought up so much if she was talking with us on a daily basis....something that EVERY other correspondent does.








Well first, not every Correspondent interacts on their board on a daily basis, so stop exaggerating. If there is nothing to report, if the devs always say no comment when you try to get your issues addressed, do you think a daily post saying the devs said sod off again is really worthwhile? Stop knocking the Correspondent.


The Correspondent's job isn't to answer every question on the boards. The Correspondent's job is toliasion between the devs and the particular community in question. Why don't you try for the armorsmith slot and then see if later you try to post rubbish like this.





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Ham-Jo
Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:10 am
#11

I give up.


No one seems to understand. I was just asking for her to be a little more personalble like other spondents. I didnt think that was too much to ask....but appearntly is was.


I apologize....but im not exaggerating. Im active on almost all the boards i ahve professions on with 4 different chars. And this is the only one that i remotely have a problem with.


It wont matter after the CU anyway.......you think we have ghost towns now......we are gonna have a ghost game.



ham-jo
master of all that is nWo . master politician
proud founder of the new world order
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.

Pappi
Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:56 pm
#12

I donno... I generally get the impression from others that I *am* personable, but maybe we have different interpretations.

I have some realistic standards. I don't try to answer every question on the forum any more after doing so for nearly a year, and I don't give out false hope by pretending there is any dev interest in politician right now. I'm not willing to appear whiney or frustrated in front of the devs, as I believe that reflects poorly on my profession. I also don't expect my forum to understand the work I do in the background and in the corr forum, and I'm comforted that I've done as much for politicians as anyone could've done with the circumstances we faced.

for the record, I *will* be retiring soon due to the corr term limit set last November. I have no intention to reapply, as I could really use some time off of the forums to write my thesis I would've retired much sooner if it means politicians would get more attention, but it just doesn't work out that way.

I'm definitely not the best correspondent, and I don't pretend to be. I do my part by expressing my forum's concern on various politician issues/bugs and help out other professions to make this a better game, and that's all I strife for.




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Xplak
Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:49 pm
#13





Pappi wrote:
I donno... I generally get the impression from others that I *am* personable, but maybe we have different interpretations.






As far as i'm concerned Pappi you are a good correspondant. Anyone only has to spend about a day here to see this forum, like the player association forum, doesn't move as fast as other profession areas.


Ham-jo, would you rather at this point in time that the devs concentrated on the two enormous projects they have set themselves? Or the smaller problems that we as a smaller part of the community face. Now i'm not saying that politician is to be pushed aside, far from it, it's the reason i've been playing this game so long. But somthing like the sales tax is so miniscule (sp?) compared to what the devs are doing to the game in this small timeframe they've been set. It's not somthing i'm happy with, but it's somthing that i'm willing to accept.


We'll get our patch and when we do we'll find somthing else we find issue or fault with. Until then lets just be content that our bugs are either cosmetic things (like lack of benifits from master box) or small annoyances (city hall terminal bug). We have no profession breaking bugs (knock on wood) and lets just hope we won't have for a long time yet...


P.S Good luck with that thesis when the time comes Pappi!

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