Politician Archive
Thread: Petition To Thunderheart stop a Player City Change.
Scoooter wrote:
FOR THE LAST TIME. THIS CHANGE WILL HURT EVERY CITY. NOT JUST THE BIG CITIES OR THE SERVER SWAPPERS. BY THIS SOLUTIONS VERY NATURE, AS CITIZENS LEAVE YOUR CITY YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RECLAIM THE SPACE THEY TAKE UP. AND EVEN IF THIS ISNT AN ISSUE FOR YOU KNOW, YOU WILL BE THE ONES EVENTUALLY CRYING WHEN YOU CANT BUILD ANYMORE DUE TO ALL THE INACTIVES IN YOUR CITY, TAKING UP SPACE BUT NOT CITIZENSHIP.
Thanks for the caps and bold..really needed that.
This however is a completely separate issue. Mayors need to be able to evict. There is a strangulation of the smaller cities that cannot grow. Two separate problems.
Seems to me you should be constructive and come up with a workable method in which mayors can evict that does nit elad to exploition or griefing.
TH says quite often he needs good factual reasons and arguments to take to the devs to propose change.
The fact is you do not know the impact except to your own city because you need to get true statistics.
TH will persue eviction if it is prosenetd in a form he can take to the dev team that will work.
Concentrate on that
So you want us to say "oh, great idea" now, let them implement it and ask for them to put a dev to work on the ability to get rid of inactive houses while we watch our city getting destroyed week by week due to the inactives in the core?
Wake up. They will need WEEKS to get it implemented that mayors can remove houses (if they do at all, since its seriously messing with other ppl possessions... id be pissed if i log in after my 4 week vacation and my mayor decided to destroy my house since i was no citizen anymore).
1. SOE can't let the mayor destroy houses of players who are inactive for a few weeks.
2. Cities will ALL be on a countown until they go poof... you start with a few houses in the core, grow over the weeks, have players putting 300k in their small house before they leave for 4 months to play EQ2 or whatever... there will allways be players leaving the game for a while... and they will be more likely to be in the center of your city than in the outskirts. As soon as you drop a level due to the lack of citizens you will lose a large part of the active citizens and the inactives are still there... next week poof again... and so on.
ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME! you will lose your city too, cause no matter how busy it seems right now.. there will always players leave and let there house stay in the city.
Actually the question should be:" How can i have a house in a city WITHOUT being citizen?"
If SOE wants to get rid of cross server trades they have to forbid them in their ToS and take action against offenders. Just to punish the town which has some citizens who decided to grind for a Jedi on another server for a few weeks or whatever sure isnt the way.
Yes it takes weeks to get a change in. And from what I read it will be 6 weeks and not 3.
Start solving the eviction issue which affects inactive and active players. And yes destroying their house in either case is not good. But the devs could start on something that would relocate it and its contantes outside the city limits.
All cities will not be on a countdown to go poof. Many cities have an active community. You can impliment things as a mayor to facilitate time until the DEVS impliment an eviction system that does not cause destruction or griefing. And in fact this being implimented can be used to absolutely get workable solution through the DEVS.
1) If the limit is 6 weeks ask your citizens to only put 8 weeks of maintenence in their houses max. Sure you cannot enfoce it at this point, but I bet 80-90% abide by that
2) Have your citizens move all storage facilities and factories outside the city limits. Most crafters place them next to their shop, but that is just convenient. Crafters will do that if the reasoon is explained. That will open up room. I f they did it via a cross server trade I am sure they can log on the other sever and communicat with the person that they traded with and get it moved.
3) Really look at your city plan. Are you amking an efficient use of space. Move things around if need be if you need space.
Caldorn
Avalon Mayor
Scoooter - Your solutions are both short-term and unrealistic given both the nature of the solution and the coordination that you would need in order to have 130+ people (in my city for instance) to each abide by those same set of rules. I have told each citizen joining the city that we want them to be as active as possible, and the minute they feel they are going to go inactive to notify me as well as pull up their house. In a perfect world, they would do just that.
The fact of the matter is, the gross majority of players will simply leave without saying anything, and forget everything that you told them (even if you reminded them via email and web). They will deposit hundreds of thousands of credits into the buildings, and chances are you will never hear from them again.
Caldorn
Avalon Mayor
Why are you so afraid of the change? Are you afraid you'll have to do your job as mayor and accualy be in your city to run it. Is 3 weeks to short, yes. Sould be 4-6 weeks. And yes we should be able to remove there building or at least move it. But the bottom line is this needs to be done. Everyone seems to have a excuse as to why there citizens are not playing for more then 3 weeks. Hell all they have to do is log in and play for an hour or something like that once every 3 weeks. If your going to lose your rank because of it, then you do not deserve that city rank! The whole idea is that the larger citys have people in them, not just alot of houses. So when you can give me a good reason why this is a bad idea, I say it rocks and lets get it into the live game asap.
Caldorn
Avalon Mayor
Ya thats Avalon (Metropolis)
DragBlade wrote:
Well sorry but Im not as you put it Scape "blinded". My city is already a level 5 city and was one of the fist ones on Tat. And it took alot of work to do it with the location that we are at. So work on a better flam then that.
Why are you so afraid of the change? Are you afraid you'll have to do your job as mayor and accualy be in your city to run it. Is 3 weeks to short, yes. Sould be 4-6 weeks. And yes we should be able to remove there building or at least move it. But the bottom line is this needs to be done. Everyone seems to have a excuse as to why there citizens are not playing for more then 3 weeks. Hell all they have to do is log in and play for an hour or something like that once every 3 weeks. If your going to lose your rank because of it, then you do not deserve that city rank! The whole idea is that the larger citys have people in them, not just alot of houses. So when you can give me a good reason why this is a bad idea, I say it rocks and lets get it into the live game asap.
Caldorn
Avalon Mayor
Ya thats Avalon (Metropolis)
Caldorn! I'm so glad that you're not in the Dev Team, as you're SO WRONG! And i'm not going to explain why since the answer is a;ready posted right here:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=in_testing&message.id=1104&page=2
So go read that and at least support the troops over seas!
In a way I agree, but on the other hand
I vote disagreement
My reason being cities are a sore point with us, as for 1 we made our city within a month of release but because we didnt put next to a NPC city we didnt make the top 10 drops of first release. Now we are capped at lvl 3 because of this and we have most of our players online so maybe this will give us a lvl 4 slot which we wanted to begin with.
Until caps are relaxed then I am in agreement for this as some towns are using citizens that havent been in game for months. Its not hard to login for 5 minutes once every 3 weeks, and if not are you trully playing the game?
I, The undersigned, fully endorse this petition.
Sig:____Static-Wolf ________________Ronnie Stam_______30/01/2004__________