Politician Archive

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Scoooter wrote:

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CalArsou wrote:

On the house maintence thing... well, I think it's a terrible idea for things to sit there, but until we see a verstion that's accurate (according to Pappi), I'll withold my comments. The ability to make condemned houses and other structures go poof is a great mayor ability, since the house would have been gone anyway .

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Well you cannot get more accurate than what the devs posted

1) When the ouse reaches 0 maintenence it will pull form the bank

2) When the bank is depleted it decays

3) End it decayes to 0 hiotpoints it is condemned but stays there. You cannot enter it

4) When you approach the structure with the money required to repair it in your bank then you can enter/use it

That is what is on TC

So Happy ghost citizens and enjoy driving through the never ending (always be there) static harvester farms

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Its going to be bad..... they need to be a hold on this fast so we can come up with a good solution. Everyone is posting great ideas but there is no way that they can implement them in at the expected time of the next update. Also how long will it take to get these ideas even into live testing.. 6 months? a year? even with a character purge once in a while ghosthouses and cities will run rampant.

We all know that this is just incentive for the Devs to try to bring back players that will leave or have left cause now they can be happy there stuff will always be there. But what about the people who have remained ever loyal and still play?

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IolasMacLeod wrote:

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Scoooter wrote:

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CalArsou wrote:

On the house maintence thing... well, I think it's a terrible idea for things to sit there, but until we see a verstion that's accurate (according to Pappi), I'll withold my comments. The ability to make condemned houses and other structures go poof is a great mayor ability, since the house would have been gone anyway .

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Well you cannot get more accurate than what the devs posted

1) When the ouse reaches 0 maintenence it will pull form the bank

2) When the bank is depleted it decays

3) End it decayes to 0 hiotpoints it is condemned but stays there. You cannot enter it

4) When you approach the structure with the money required to repair it in your bank then you can enter/use it

That is what is on TC

So Happy ghost citizens and enjoy driving through the never ending (always be there) static harvester farms

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Its going to be bad..... they need to be a hold on this fast so we can come up with a good solution. Everyone is posting great ideas but there is no way that they can implement them in at the expected time of the next update. Also how long will it take to get these ideas even into live testing.. 6 months? a year? even with a character purge once in a while ghosthouses and cities will run rampant.

We all know that this is just incentive for the Devs to try to bring back players that will leave or have left cause now they can be happy there stuff will always be there. But what about the people who have remained ever loyal and still play?

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I agree what we need to push for is holding it.

I do not see the purge as the answer because that will also mean the house will be there for a minimum of six months and that is if they cancel. And if they keep their account active with a good bannk account, or just went to play on another server then we are screwed.

I do see howver that the purge is one step and if we were to comprimise on when it goes it it would coincide with that.

In addition we should have some of the other suggestions looked at and implimented.

It does seem to me just let it decay as normal and placethe items in the house or factory in a special storage vault, that if they come back they have XX time to remove it from that special vault after they log in or it gets deleted

That way all the returining player has to do is buy a house, drop it and move his/her items in.

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Rehavam wrote:

The automatic character purge can not be the answer. It is not active yet. It is scheduled to go on test "in a couple months" and even if it will be implemented it would still only purge houses of players after six months - which is far too long - and it won't affect houses of players that switched the galaxy or reactivate their accounts from time to time - or playing other Sony Online games using the station pass.

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Rehavam wrote:

The automatic character purge can not be the answer. It is not active yet. It is scheduled to go on test "in a couple months" and even if it will be implemented it would still only purge houses of players after six months - which is far too long - and it won't affect houses of players that switched the galaxy or reactivate their accounts from time to time - or playing other Sony Online games using the station pass.

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Exactly

THe purge is not the 100% answer.

We need the inactive houses gone

We need to be able to continue to keep pride in our cities stocking them with live playing citizens.

The current update must be stopped until a solution is put in place

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Pappi wrote:

I have no clue what the hell they mean with the house maint changes, however I assume that these changes are not final. I don't think they liked my idea for mayors to be able to remove 0 condition houses. it also doesn't sound like we'll be able to move these structures, but with the current condemn system they did mention that they would do a purge so "dead" houses would poof. I have no details on this yet, so please don't speculate. I'm all for suggestions I can bring to the devs, but make them reasonable.

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Here's my 2 cents on squaring the circle between what the devs are trying to achieve with not losing customers who go offline for a while, and the natural wish of mayors that their towns shouldn't become ghost cities.

Message Edited by Zorron on 01-21-2005 04:15 PM

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Cafa wrote:

I am friends with 14 mayors. They are community creators, and leaders within this game. Yet their ability to explore the game as other players has been seriously hampered due to skill point limitations from politician, IMO.

I applaud this change, and their ability to participate in adventures with the same full templates as others in their cities and guilds. Their sacrifice to build in-game communities is commendable.

Admittedly, many people are going to have issue with this. I ask you which is more important for the improvement of our cities? Community development or skill point requirements. My corner places the mayor in a role like guild leaders, I know. Guild leaders do have extended powers without spending skillpoints. Mayors have more powers but are (finally with the recent voting changes) responsible to their citizens.

Fivo Asia

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Ok, I see a lot of posts here about how politicians can't take part in content with the current skillpoint requirements. Well, allow me to show a couple things.

Master politician/TKM/Master Brawler/3030 Medic: Would be able to participate in most combat readily
4344 Politician/Master Dancer/Master Musician: Capable mayor that can hang out in the cantina and buff mind
And my personal politician design:
4244 Politician/Master Artisan/Master WS/4404 Merchant: crafting, surveying, and selling my products as well as setting up consignment vendors for guildmates

Politician does not take 250 skillpoints. You can easily balance it with a template to do just about anything in the game. About the only thing you can't create is a defense stacking/DOT stacking template, and the only thing you miss out on without one of those is being "teh ub0r krayt soloing pwnz0r" or "teh l337 PvP gawd."

However, I suspect after this patch hits live there will be a few cities falling into the hands of those two types of players since they'll suddenly think politician is the l337 thing to be, so they'll band their buddies together to vote for them, lose all interest within 2-3 days, and be out outdamaging "teh n00bs" on the higher density krayt spawns while the city hall burns down.

On top of that, there will never be an open slot for a player city on any planet ever again. Within hours of this patch the last ones will be filled and we'll see spammers in Coronet on every server trying to sell player cities. Some might even make it to ebay. The end result of this being that the developers will never take politician seriously again, go further in their drive to build up NPC cities, and vow to never revamp the politician profession.

I hope that I'm wrong...I really do, but I can just see it play out in my mind.

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TheLemming wrote:

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Cafa wrote:

I am friends with 14 mayors. They are community creators, and leaders within this game. Yet their ability to explore the game as other players has been seriously hampered due to skill point limitations from politician, IMO.

I applaud this change, and their ability to participate in adventures with the same full templates as others in their cities and guilds. Their sacrifice to build in-game communities is commendable.

Admittedly, many people are going to have issue with this. I ask you which is more important for the improvement of our cities? Community development or skill point requirements. My corner places the mayor in a role like guild leaders, I know. Guild leaders do have extended powers without spending skillpoints. Mayors have more powers but are (finally with the recent voting changes) responsible to their citizens.

Fivo Asia

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Ok, I see a lot of posts here about how politicians can't take part in content with the current skillpoint requirements. Well, allow me to show a couple things.

Master politician/TKM/Master Brawler/3030 Medic: Would be able to participate in most combat readily
4344 Politician/Master Dancer/Master Musician: Capable mayor that can hang out in the cantina and buff mind
And my personal politician design:
4244 Politician/Master Artisan/Master WS/4404 Merchant: crafting, surveying, and selling my products as well as setting up consignment vendors for guildmates

Politician does not take 250 skillpoints. You can easily balance it with a template to do just about anything in the game. About the only thing you can't create is a defense stacking/DOT stacking template, and the only thing you miss out on without one of those is being "teh ub0r krayt soloing pwnz0r" or "teh l337 PvP gawd."

However, I suspect after this patch hits live there will be a few cities falling into the hands of those two types of players since they'll suddenly think politician is the l337 thing to be, so they'll band their buddies together to vote for them, lose all interest within 2-3 days, and be out outdamaging "teh n00bs" on the higher density krayt spawns while the city hall burns down.

On top of that, there will never be an open slot for a player city on any planet ever again. Within hours of this patch the last ones will be filled and we'll see spammers in Coronet on every server trying to sell player cities. Some might even make it to ebay. The end result of this being that the developers will never take politician seriously again, go further in their drive to build up NPC cities, and vow to never revamp the politician profession.

I hope that I'm wrong...I really do, but I can just see it play out in my mind.

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I really don't see that arguement hold any weight. In a democracy people are free to do as they wish, so if the majority of people in a city decide, hey let's elect this guy, then he'll be elected. This majority will have to deal with what happens afterwards.

Instilling safe guards is never a good idea for an elected office. Just like it isn't a good idea (any more) to have a natural born requirement to the American presidency (Go Arnold!), it's also not a good idea to gate the mayor's office. You fail to see that it was the MAJORITY of people that elected this l33t dood into office, so they should have their say. The l33t doods can't /cityban everyone who didn't vote for thier guy so...

Majority rules, minority rights.

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CalArsou wrote:

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TheLemming wrote:

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Cafa wrote:

I am friends with 14 mayors. They are community creators, and leaders within this game. Yet their ability to explore the game as other players has been seriously hampered due to skill point limitations from politician, IMO.

I applaud this change, and their ability to participate in adventures with the same full templates as others in their cities and guilds. Their sacrifice to build in-game communities is commendable.

Admittedly, many people are going to have issue with this. I ask you which is more important for the improvement of our cities? Community development or skill point requirements. My corner places the mayor in a role like guild leaders, I know. Guild leaders do have extended powers without spending skillpoints. Mayors have more powers but are (finally with the recent voting changes) responsible to their citizens.

Fivo Asia

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Ok, I see a lot of posts here about how politicians can't take part in content with the current skillpoint requirements. Well, allow me to show a couple things.

Master politician/TKM/Master Brawler/3030 Medic: Would be able to participate in most combat readily
4344 Politician/Master Dancer/Master Musician: Capable mayor that can hang out in the cantina and buff mind
And my personal politician design:
4244 Politician/Master Artisan/Master WS/4404 Merchant: crafting, surveying, and selling my products as well as setting up consignment vendors for guildmates

Politician does not take 250 skillpoints. You can easily balance it with a template to do just about anything in the game. About the only thing you can't create is a defense stacking/DOT stacking template, and the only thing you miss out on without one of those is being "teh ub0r krayt soloing pwnz0r" or "teh l337 PvP gawd."

However, I suspect after this patch hits live there will be a few cities falling into the hands of those two types of players since they'll suddenly think politician is the l337 thing to be, so they'll band their buddies together to vote for them, lose all interest within 2-3 days, and be out outdamaging "teh n00bs" on the higher density krayt spawns while the city hall burns down.

On top of that, there will never be an open slot for a player city on any planet ever again. Within hours of this patch the last ones will be filled and we'll see spammers in Coronet on every server trying to sell player cities. Some might even make it to ebay. The end result of this being that the developers will never take politician seriously again, go further in their drive to build up NPC cities, and vow to never revamp the politician profession.

I hope that I'm wrong...I really do, but I can just see it play out in my mind.

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I really don't see that arguement hold any weight. In a democracy people are free to do as they wish, so if the majority of people in a city decide, hey let's elect this guy, then he'll be elected. This majority will have to deal with what happens afterwards.

Instilling safe guards is never a good idea for an elected office. Just like it isn't a good idea (any more) to have a natural born requirement to the American presidency (Go Arnold!), it's also not a good idea to gate the mayor's office. You fail to see that it was the MAJORITY of people that elected this l33t dood into office, so they should have their say. The l33t doods can't /cityban everyone who didn't vote for thier guy so...

Majority rules, minority rights.

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I hate to break this to you, but there are many safeguards on public office...not the least of which are age and the party system. If you want to try and bring real life into it I'll also point to the system of checks and balances, which doesn't exist in this game. Hence, an ounce of prevention against such occurences is necessary, since there is no way to counter it after the fact in this game. Also note that the city could indeed lose a lot. The least of which could be the new mayor never bothering to aid recruitment and not managing the budget so terminals/trainers/structures disappear. The greater of which could be citizens who elected him calling into question his intentions so he has a tantrum and destroys the city hall since he had no serious interest in the first place.

This does already happen, but I would suggest it happen even more when people don't even have to make the commitment of some SP to become a politician.

Edit: I feel that I should add that this is a REAL profession. It interacts with the player community as much as a doctor. BH, or an entertainer. To remove the skillpoints from it while others still require them makes little sense. The whole idea behind skillpoints is to make it so you can't be everything in the game at once. I would think that politician, with it's extraordinary responsibility to the community, would rank highly in the need for skillpoints. Just as we don't want everyone to be their own WS, AS, Doc, and entertainer, I would suggest that we don't want everyone to be running around expecting to be their own mayor.

Message Edited by TheLemming on 01-21-2005 07:15 AM