Politician Archive
Thread: The Drama Continues...
Vinjar
Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:48 am
#14
Lol, let them vote with their main toons only. The alts will automatically vote for you. These people have no idea how theprocess works. I understand your commitment to your friends. You just decide if your friends have your best interests at heart. I wouldn't worry too much about be deposed as mayor. It's like pulling teeth to get people to vote. In the meantime /addignore the buffoons and continue to recruit new members in your town. Hell, I'm thinking of making an alt on another server. Send me PM or email at tempest.vinjar. Whatever you do, good luck to you. As you've seen, you will find plenty of support and good, solid advice in this forum.
EmperoressPalpatine
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:22 pm
#15
Astev_aris, I did just that. Tried to talk to the guild leader (whoI must say was made Guild leader only a few days before), but she wouldn't talk to me. Had to get someone else to get her to aggree to finally talk to me. I had to wait two days before a 'meeting' with some of the other generals could happen and I could be talked to about getting back in the guild. Then the day after that I got to have my 'meeting' with her and the VP (that she appointed). Which I got the preposal of having the election via a regular ballot box, trying to elliminate the idle and inactive from my vote count. (I get to have a 'forum' tonight, and the ballot box will then be placed). Oh this 'forum' was also part of the deal. I get to talk to the city and convience them why I should be mayor still. (sigh). I'm not looking forward to it. Oh and soon as I was booted, I did give my side of things.
It was like pulling teeth to get an appology. Even then the appology came from the VP and says he acted alone, leaving her out of it. (shrugs). Hopefully tonight she will make a big show of being first to vote for me in the election. Maybe that will help heal things in the guild.
The problem is half the guild seems to be on her side, while half is on mine. However those on my side tend to be those who have been in the guild more then a few months. While the newest members seem to fall on her side. (shrugs).
I'm trying to take the high road on all this. I don't know anyone who would put up with this sort of BS as I am. I'm doing my best not to explode but I am a stubborn hot head. (I'm a taurus). It's just gets annoying to keep being the one trying to make peace, to fix things, and yet being told your the one at fault. The list of names I've been called is rediculous...As people say, it's become like real politics. But I don't play an RPG for real politics.
Anneke Rose (Princess of Sanctuary)
Vinjar
Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:39 pm
#16
Look, while these people can't vote you out, they can still take off, possibly leaving your city high and dry and moving you below rank four. Establish a new guild and continue to recruit new citizens. If a power struggle is imminent, you will need all the support you can get. You've apparently done everything possible to remedy this problem. If your 'friends' continue to be antagonistic, you must take action to keep your city intact.
*EDIT* The reason I say "can't vote you out" is obvious. We all know how immensly difficult it is to get 51% of the vote when you are trying to get voted out of office.
Message Edited by Vinjar on 10-14-2004 06:28 PM
EmperoressPalpatine
Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:43 am
#17
So we had the 'forum' last night. Which turn out to be a little better then a witch hunt. Or atleast that was some comparisons given. I stood there and answered questions. How many other Mayors would have done the same? (sigh)
I have nothing to hide, so I told them of the advice I'm getting from the Politician forum. Where else can politicians go for advice. Very few Mayors are active, most are just Mayor-bots. Ofcourse they are ashamed of their actions and don't want it coming out to the public. My goodness this is a freaking game after all. But I'm again being called names because I dared to go to others for advice. One thing they can't tell me is that I don't communicate.
So I get to deal with a vote for a week. They moved it to out guild forums vs using a ballot box. Which is good, because that limits abuse of the ballot box system. (I won't even go into that).
Oh there is so much more I could report on. I just hope no one else ever has to deal with what I'm dealing with.
Anneke Rose
Finnean
Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:50 am
#18
Bottom line, you are in charge of the city , they are in charge of the guild. You have indirect control over the guild but *direct* control over the city.
Until this *civil* war gets resolved, I would suspend all zoning activity by removing allmilitia (if you havent already). Talk to friends you trust and tell them the truth - your side of the story, it seems there is a lot of disinformation out there.
In the Meantime, you could place statues with positive slogans for their titles ( a arch can make that title for you).
If you are still a crafter then make items with posititve statements and leave them in areas you alone have admin on or in. ( be careful to not use players names and report those that do ).
Example make a nice evening gown in the city hall that says"Empress Palpatine is dedicated to making Metro city the best city on Naboo>" yeah it sounds corny , but it is postive reinforcement.
Also, in the meantime, *recruit* friends of yours and citizens and perhaps even start your own guild of crafters/merchants whatever it is you and enjoy your game that you are paying for!
I would love to make a toon on Naritus to support such a worthy Mayor like yourself! I do believe I have a noob there already !
Zarathustra
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:37 pm
#20
As usual there are two sides to every story. Hi all, I don't suspect many of you know me, unless you frequent the Jedi forums a ton 
but I'm a long time play and one of the founding members of the guild that Anneke has been writing about.
but I'm a long time play and one of the founding members of the guild that Anneke has been writing about.Anneke, the decision to kick you from the guild came from screenshots that involved the guild you were trying to create, and trying to recruit members from within the present guild. The issue isn't the guild president, and the drama that has been going on between you two (it's a catfight, and one that we've had even our past presidents come in to try to reconcile that don't even play the game anymore).
The issue of trying to recruit members from within our guild has happened before, and the same action was taken. You were a member of the guild back then, you should remember what I'm talking about, and find that what happened then, and what is happening now is not too different. To honestly come here and post that you don't feel it was right that you were kicked out for such an action...I'd guess I'd have to find out why you feel that way, and why you never decided to come to me and talk with me through private messages on our forums. I've always been there for all, and the door is still open if you want to talk about this.
Now, to think that all of this SOLEY stems from just your personal quarrel between you and the current president is also incorrect. You personally, through a lot of your posts a long time prior to this, have been the center of a lot of drama within our guild, to the point where you'd fight tooth and nail with every one of our generals over the smallest of details (like setting up a mall). It has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, many of those are that "upper echelon" you speak of within the guild itself. It's the drama like this that made our last president want to step down from the position infact.
The fact that another mayor ran against you, and it was such a huge deal that they might actually win. They had a strong support. Did you ever take a step back to think why they had such a strong support that it threatened to take over the city? It wasn't because of one member. Some of this falls back onto your shoulders as well, and you if you want this all to end, you need to pull a George Bush (heh, I couldn't resist...being on the politician forums and all) and do what people want you to do. Stand up, take some responsibility for your own actions as well, and if you really care about the PA and the city, mend the wounds and try to move forward.
The drama will never end until you do something like this. Most of our generals are willing to move the drama behind us, and do what we can to put an end to everything. Most of the "drama" started a long time ago, and all of it was surrounding you. You've been keeping all things in the spotlight only adding to the drama. It can be healed and it can go away, but it's going to take some effort on your part.
If you wish to contact me, and want to chat at all, you know enough ways to contact me and try to discuss things where it will do some good for both yourself and for the guild. Posting here really provides no benefit to anyone, and is only adding fuel to the fire you find yourself surrounded by now.
You know where to find me if you want to talk, and I'm always willing to listen and do what I can to help. I can't stand idly by here though and read these posts that I take personally when discussing the guild that myself and a few others that are no longer playing started.
I've offered my help and suggestions to you in the past and I'm here now if you want it now.
For the rest of the people on the thread, I guess it's much different looking from the outside of all of this, and it's not my intention to try to embarrass Anneke or anything like that. I just felt it was important to post some kind of reaction since this is on a public board where all our guild members can read it, and others from our server (noticing that no one that replied was from Naritus also). Pappi, I hope to see you on the Sandbox when that starts (along with whoever else you chose), and thank you for taking the time to read all this.
Destryr
Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:46 am
#21
why is this being dragged out in the politician forum?...its an internal guild problem.
the being voted out is a matter for discussion, BUT.... The players of a town ARE THE TOWN not one person, not the mayor not the militia.
to take real life and put it side by side with your situation..a mayor holds office for 20 years..he sees he is looking defeat in the face....he would rightly be condemned and probably jailed if he decided to pull down all hospitals, schools and other civic buildings and if he tried to close the ballot station the same would happen.
SOE created ballot stations and elections to avoid Dictators, raising taxes,stripping treasury, stopping votes, unless you do as i say.
You either have the backing of the town or you dont..if you dont you will get elected out.
the big question to ask is why you dont have the backing.
the being voted out is a matter for discussion, BUT.... The players of a town ARE THE TOWN not one person, not the mayor not the militia.
to take real life and put it side by side with your situation..a mayor holds office for 20 years..he sees he is looking defeat in the face....he would rightly be condemned and probably jailed if he decided to pull down all hospitals, schools and other civic buildings and if he tried to close the ballot station the same would happen.
SOE created ballot stations and elections to avoid Dictators, raising taxes,stripping treasury, stopping votes, unless you do as i say.
You either have the backing of the town or you dont..if you dont you will get elected out.
the big question to ask is why you dont have the backing.
MasterSparkplug
Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:12 am
#22
Destryr wrote: BUT.... The players of a town ARE THE TOWN not one person, not the mayor not the militia. to take real life and put it side by side with your situation..a mayor holds office for 20 years..he sees he is looking defeat in the face....he would rightly be condemned and probably jailed if he decided to pull down all hospitals, schools and other civic buildings and if he tried to close the ballot station the same would happen. SOE created ballot stations and elections to avoid Dictators, raising taxes,stripping treasury, stopping votes, unless you do as i say. You either have the backing of the town or you dont..if you dont you will get elected out. the big question to ask is why you dont have the backing.
Well, doesn't matter now as Anneke took the great advice of many here and disbanded the entire militia and has posted that the city is now open to others. She had previously put a fountain on the voting terminal so elections couldn't take place; another great advice by Mayors here.
She took what the members had paid for, protected, built, and lived in. The city was built by the members, not Anneke. She didn't pay for those buildings or anything else. So, thanks for all the great advice from some of you. I can't believe it never occurred toall of you that there "MIGHT" be a reason that a PA wanted to vote her out.
As she said in her post here, "Anneke, Princess of Sanctuary ... still". So, all hail Princess Anneke.
Message Edited by MasterSparkplug on 10-19-2004 06:51 AM
EmperoressPalpatine
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:53 am
#23
Think of all this as an example of the BS a politican may have to deal with one day. It happened to me, it can happen to anyone. (shakes head).
I couldn't leave the city, I couldn't get voted out, I couldn't do anything. I was sitting there getting so much abuse and harassment I couldn't take it any more, so I did the one thing I could, I left the guild. (Funny thing is, they kicked me out a week before, I should have just stayed out.)Now the guildis leaving the city. They don't have to, but arechoosing to do so. I don't really care. Frankly my love for thegame,and the city was crushed by them. All I ever wanted to do washang out and take care of the city, which I did, anddid a good job of it as well. Thisis just a game, and it's not worth the headache I was getting.
Lets see...TheMall. I fought them on some issues with setting up a malldue toprevious experiences we had with the mall. A vote and decision was made and I went along with it. They are so upset that I fought against having someone who had little Merchant experiencetaking on the job of Mall manager. Thing is, several of the guild's major crafters told me they would prefernot to have the in-experienced person running things. (The person was a Musican, as their claim to fame of their great crafting knowledge).
Then there is suddenly an election against me, backed by the disgruntled musican who didn't get the Mall manager position. She couldn't have that job, so suddenly I don't deserve to be Mayor. They do this while the Guild leader is out of town for a week. Very suspecious. I have no problem with anyone running against me, what I have a problem with was how they were going about it. Their 'timing' was to convient. So Yes, I dropped a fountain...for about two hours, that's all. I only wanted people to wait for the president of the guild to return from vacation. Funny thing is...when he did return...they didn't run against me again...odd...
The musican then becomes VP. I knew that giving her some authority would be bad, and mentioned to others that I knew she would use it against me first chance she got. So I started looking into leaving. Then about a week later, she is made President of the guild, two days after that, I'm kicked from the guild. I'm kicked because I was trying to 'recruit' from inside the guild. Strange thing is, I posted the screen shot and I'm clearly telling the person to stay around and trust the President, to give the president more time to adjust to the situation. Then I'm silly and go threw and get back into the guild. Why? I ask myself. I really didn't want to go back, but several people wanted me back, and there was very strong support that the President screwed up.
So I got back in, and just had more hate thrown on me. It's funny, when I heard the President was stepping down, I told another guild member, that it would be turned into a whole, she's being a martyer, stepping down for the good of the guild. (Funny, she didn't care enough about the guild/city to talk to the Mayor before booting them from the guild.) So then I get more hate, mostly from her VP that I should step down. I explain it's not within the game's power. I could destroy the city hall, but other then that, I have to be voted out.
So they start work on trying to vote me out. However the person running against me, doesn't have much sense on how a city works, and deletes himself from the city. (Oh I laughed for a while on that one). They started accusing me of kicking him from the city. (If only Mayors had that ability.) The guild locked me out of buildings where I had vendors (good thing, I cleared them out already). And they are slowly leaving the city.
Yesterday I went around and pulled up some lights and decorations, rearranged things in the city. Started looking for a new guild to move into the city. It's a level five city, on Naboo, and with JTL (and instant shuttle in Theed), it's going to be a prime location. If the city burns down, so be it. I lost most of my interest in the city awhile ago due to their actions. Even if I wanted to leave, I can't. Such is the life of a Mayor. I don't mind, it's a pretty city, and will remain so, long after they are gone.
Anneke Rose
BT-Trajan
Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:14 am
#24
The game mechanics are such a mess. What a shame that an orderly change of power is not possible. I hope that all the "differences" between the city and the guild can become water under the bridge and that both parties can move on to build successful communities where they can have fun.
It is unfortunate that such venomous thoughts get pushed to the public air waves. We see it happen every day across these boards. Mayors have to work hard to contain our emotions when dealing with the communities we are managing. I know that I have had to log off many times to cool off from a bad night online. Many of the citizens in Aurora know that they can count on me to settle disputes and solve problems. They know that I give all of my online time to the community. They also know that I have a deputy mayor, someone that runs my account for me when I take a needed break. This person is from a guild different from mine and helps keep the city running when I am out-of-pocket. We share the love of being Mayor and generally look at the Mayor as a public account accessible by more than just myself. This is something that I have developed. I need to know that the community can trust me and those that I trust. I need the community to know that a Mayor that cares for the community is always accessible to them -- even when I am off travelling in RL and cannot get online.
An online community is a hard thing to build. LIke so many things that we create in out lives (Real and virtual) it takes nurturing and patience. People have to understand how un-fun being the Dad/Mom/Mayor can be some nights. They need to know that while I enjoy building the community even the Mayor gets frustrated at our in ability to effect any real change in the city (other than moveing decorations).
Aurora has a website, and a charter that clearly states the vision and goal for the community. I dont invite anyone to join the community unless they understand what these are. I always suggest that anyone building a new community put a simple charter in place so that there is somewhere to turn to in times of strife.
Check out swgaurora.com (no WWW) to see what I am talking about if you need an example of a charter.
Good luck to both parties in this dispute. I know that it is seriously un-fun to deal with personality conflicts and miscommunication in-game.
Sincerely,
Hadrian Augustus
Zarathustra
Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:03 am
#25
Anneke, like I said, you seem to think this all has to do with the "Musician" you so slyly refer to. It's a much larger picture. It has nothing to do with the Mall Manager (that's a really petty thing, and I'm surprised you'd even think it was a big deal). I still am surprised how you haven't been able to take a step back and look at how it is possible that you have lost so much support within the guild, and why all the drama always tends to center around you there. Must be coincidence I guess.
Anneke, do you want the truth? The truth is that you take anything that doesn't go your way as a personal attack, you get overly involved, controlling, and thus all of the drama. You would fight with everyone tooth and nail over every suggestion that was made in any way contrary to yours. I don't know if you're not able to take criticism well, or to accept varying points of view. But even when every other person would agree with the opposite position you have, you will still fight. It has nothing to do with Rhoda (ooh, her names exposed), it has everything to do with everything that came before that.
It's moot to discuss things further. We've made our descision. So long to Naboo, my favorite planet in game.
Scoooter
Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:43 am
#26
EmperoressPalpatine wrote:
I've been in the game/guild since the begining, so my friends are in the upper eschelon of the guild. I also love being Mayor, and of a major metropolis on Naboo. City caps means if I started a new city I would most likely have to start on another planet, and if I do start on Naboo, with city caps it will be forever until it reaches metropolis status. The head of the guild would be more then happy to take on being politican. Or more correctly, to have one of her close friends take on the role. The guild leader has supported twice now, the same person running against me for Mayor. While the majority of the rest of the guild leadership support me. So the guild and city have been forced into being divided. Hopefully things will mend, and I hope they realize that what I'm doing. I could have destroyed the city/caused alot of problems for the guild when they kicked me out. But I didn't. I worked with the leadership to get back in. Which I think says alot about my character. Yet I'm sure they will call me untrustworthy, etc...
Anneke
Look, don't be loyal to a guild for a guilds sake. Be loyal to friends. Be loyal to your friends in the guild.
I dont know both sides so my advice might be a crock, but here is a recourse
If a guild leader is not being fair, don't drop houses for his members, /cityban new members that are not citizens. Lock down the militia.
But let the citizens know what is going on. Let them know you are taking action as a result of action taken against you.
Drop a new guild hall and start a guild. Offer membership to those that are friends of yours in the other guild. Immediatly build your guild and add citizens.
If they can't elect a new mayor (and they probably cannot w/o adding citizens that are active) the guild leader has a choice of "working" with you or leaving.