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Thread: Structure Placement Exploit?

Demiglot
Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:19 pm
#1

Here's an interesting one...

The city of Elysium on Starsider had about forty registered citizens with about twenty active players. The incumbent mayor was attempting to abdicate office and most active players had agreed to vote for the same player to succeed her. There was a group of three players that disagreed however and were backing a third candidate for mayor. None of the players in this minority group were members of the militia and as far as we know none of the militia assisted them. Yet two nights ago we noticed that this third candidate was suddenly receiving votes and the population total for the city was rising. The new citizens were outsiders, some of whom appeared to be brand new characters, presumably created for just this purpose.

In order to preserve the choice of the majority of active Elysians we asked friends of the city to come and declare residence there for one day and vote for the chosen successor. The contest went on for many hours as each group brought in new players and voted for their candidate. In the end the majority party won by a count of 46 to 41, with the incumbent receiving 17 from inactive players. However this result is still alarming as a minority of three (with four alt accounts) was able to solicited 34 votes over about 48 hours nearly stealing the office of mayor out from under the city.

We do not know how they were granted zoning rights, but we believe that some exploit must have been employed. Multiple CSR tickets have been submitted regarding this issue and we hope to have more information soon. Hopefully we will not see a repeat next week.

A big thank you to the twenty some odd friends who answered the call and declared residency in Elysium to help us. As well as those who helped us find houses and offered moral support. An interesting byproduct of this event is that Elysium now has 104 registered citizens, has upgraded to a "city" and will possibly upgrade to a "metropolis" next week.



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Catachan
Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:59 am
#2

Interesting. Keep us updated on the CSR response, I'm intreagued as to how it happened.




Exar Dahmeeko
Fencer / Politician / Grinder
Mayor of Felluca, Talus (-107, -1620)
Guild Leader - Conqueror's of Felluca


Kansalis
Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:54 am
#3

If these 'mysterious' new citizens were friends or associates of the 3 people who opposed the new Mayor, I believe there may be a way to get these additional votes.


I'd rather not post it here as the last thing we Mayors would want is for this to be out in the open, if indeed I'm correct. Does anyone have any suggestions as to whom I should contact or email with my concerns? It's not worth trying to use the ingame CSRs in this case I think.



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Demiglot
Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:31 am
#4

I don't think they were friends of the three who attempted the coup. I didn't get a chance to talk with any of them. I have added most of the names to my friends list to try to speak to them directly and ask.


If you have an idea of how this might have been done, perhaps you might know how to prevent it? If you get a chance to test your idea out can you get in touch with me to let me know?





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-Enkydo Grace
hajihill
Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:40 pm
#5

Yes, this occurance truly was odd.... especially since these people had one solitary individual standing in the city with a very odd bio containing simply a system commandthat related directly to the issue... hmmm...


Not sure what you mean by 'friends' Kansalis, but we are fairly sure these people that were relatively unknown to them, but were recruited in haste from other servers. Many had names of other servers in there names... which is odd in itself... and now there are structures littering the city at random which is another minor issue that will have to be dealt with in time....


On the upside we did prevail against the exploiters, which was heartening, and I was placed in the mayor's seat for now. Let's just hope they don't try that again I suppose....


Please send myself, or Demiglot/Enkydoa PM via the boards regarding what you suspect to be the issue and I'll send you something of what I suspect... we'll compare notes... I honestly can't wait to see this group face the consequences for their actions.



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- Archonia D'Syraculle for Politician Correspondent
Mayor of Elysium - Starsider - Dean of Corellia University
"However, what I tell you is true: No community will exist and prosper without widespread mutual OOC respect for one another." -Davyn Gabriel (Founder of VR)
KamekRistar
Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:28 pm
#6

I'm pretty sure that's not technically considered an exploit. If one of the people had zoning rights they would be able to /transferstructure houses they placed over to the new people, who would then be able to declare residence and vote. It's a little dishonest and nasty, sure, but not an exploit.
KieranHorn
Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:20 am
#7






KamekRistar wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's not technically considered an exploit. If one of the people had zoning rights they would be able to /transferstructure houses they placed over to the new people, who would then be able to declare residence and vote. It's a little dishonest and nasty, sure, but not an exploit.





That is why my city which was founded by two pas will only have members of either pa on the militia, and if we accept any new citizens the militia grants them zoning, watches them place their house, then revokes their zoning rights with the same command. that way they don't place 5 small or medium houses and /transferstructure them. also the militia shows them a spot for their house so that we can keep the city neat and organized.
Demiglot
Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:13 pm
#8

The point here though is that we don't believe any of the militia granted them zoning rights. If we are wong in that, then it is less of a mystery and not an exploit.


So far this week we don't have any new citiezens. However the challneger has registered again and has a couple dozen votes from the citizens they moved in last week.





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-Enkydo Grace
Cigaran
Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:44 pm
#9

Hmm... I've heard a little bit of a "trick" that can be done to gain zoning rights without permission from a city. I'll be PMing you guys to help a little.



Cigaran Lanarik
Mayor of Alacio Island, Naboo C
Smuggler,Smuggler's Alliance Pilot
Drop off Vendor @ -1419 -187 Naboo
SamRebo
Fri Mar 12, 2004 2:33 am
#10

It is quite possible to place a house right on the border of the city limit, and have it still fall into the city limits. My theory is that if the part of the house with the structure management terminal falls into the city limit (ie, you get the you have entered so and so city message), then when you declare residence it counts you as a citizen. Defintaly something to watch out for.





Renea
Mayor of Kor Spera, Corellia
former Mayor of New Deeja, Naboo
hajihill
Fri Mar 12, 2004 2:50 am
#11

Well check this out...


not sure if this is the exploit or not... but the individuas perpetrating this exploit had one person stationed in the city hall with the information in their Bio that can be viewed here (I took a screenshot): http://www.swg-elysium.com/forum/attachments/exploit.jpg


Then the person named in this odd and inexplicable bio was out placing houses without rights... seems strange to me.... But I am having trouble getting the CSR's to address it.... They keep telling me to remove people from the militia... but there is currently no one on the militia...I removed everyone to try and prevent this from happening...



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- Archonia D'Syraculle for Politician Correspondent
Mayor of Elysium - Starsider - Dean of Corellia University
"However, what I tell you is true: No community will exist and prosper without widespread mutual OOC respect for one another." -Davyn Gabriel (Founder of VR)
Voice_of_Dog
Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:03 am
#12

On the up side, your city is growing.


Good luck on worming out the problem children.




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hajihill
Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:27 am
#13

True,that is good to an extent.. however trying to wade through the issue of city planning will be a bit of a nightmare as there are so many 'ghost accounts' that we will never be able to contact these people in order to move houses, or arrange anything in some sort of meaningful way. So after this next publish, they will stop being citizens two weeks after they haven't logged in, and their houses will remain until they've decayed, which could take a long time, who knows.


Until then we've instituted tax refunds to all friendly citizens, and maxed the income and property tax rates to try and flush out the vermin. *crosses fingers* Wish me luck.





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- Archonia D'Syraculle for Politician Correspondent
Mayor of Elysium - Starsider - Dean of Corellia University
"However, what I tell you is true: No community will exist and prosper without widespread mutual OOC respect for one another." -Davyn Gabriel (Founder of VR)
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