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Thread: I was very disappointed last night...
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Pappi
Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:43 pm
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... at how people choose to use /cityban. I was there to experience it myself, and now I know what type of people to thank for forcing the devs to leave our cities defenseless. I'm not naming the city, but since others have posted about it the city name shouldn't be hard to find.
edit: warning! personal opinions ahead. I pay my 15 bucks a month too, hopefully that entitles me to my own opinions
so a little story for you all:
for those of you who know me, I'm an entertainer at heart. (insert table dancing joke here) it's a social profession that complements politician, and I get to spend a lot of time getting to know people that live and visit New Unity. I like to host and attend cross server entertainer parties, and yesterday was no exception.
yesterday evening I was at Cantina Crawl 6 on Bria, where people from various servers make new characters, put on a fun uniform (it has purple hawtpants, I was happy
) and drop by various cantina to perform. we had around 50 people in the group, and at each city we make a beeline to the cantina screaming "cantina crawl!" and some message about our entertainer group, stay for about half an hour, then head straight back to the shuttleport (except for one city where we paused and used up our newbie fireworks) all of us were having fun until we arrived at one of the cities.
we arrived at one of our chosen cities, and we headed straight for the cantina. then I started hearing people say "I've been banned from the cantina" and "I've been citybanned", and there were quite a few people who were banned. keep in mind we're a group with entertainer titles wearing hotpants and holding instruments. it was obvious that we weren't welcomed, and we started to leave. that's when some people realized that since they're citybanned, they can't use the shuttleport to leave. now you have a group of mostly new characters with no combat skills having to walk to the next city. I wasn't very happy about it, and Kwee (ID corr, also with us in the group) told us that the militia member "apologized" but no one received any apologies of any sort and no one was unbanned.
to find out what happened I messaged the militia member. his reasoning was that they had several bases in the city, and they're "hot" when we arrived. I can understand why they can get a bit nervous watching a bunch of blue dots moving together away from the shuttleport, but I'm not sure what's so threatening about a group of entertainers that are alread in the cantina, and was definitely NOT heading anywhere close to the bases. this incident definitely put a dent into our event, but we moved on and had fun. someone later posted the incident onto the Bria forum, but received nothing but snide comments from the guild affiliated with the city.
moral of the story:
I strongly encourage other mayors and militia members out there to use /cityban responsibly and think twice before using this command. you never know who's watching...
edit: warning! personal opinions ahead. I pay my 15 bucks a month too, hopefully that entitles me to my own opinions
so a little story for you all:
for those of you who know me, I'm an entertainer at heart. (insert table dancing joke here) it's a social profession that complements politician, and I get to spend a lot of time getting to know people that live and visit New Unity. I like to host and attend cross server entertainer parties, and yesterday was no exception.
yesterday evening I was at Cantina Crawl 6 on Bria, where people from various servers make new characters, put on a fun uniform (it has purple hawtpants, I was happy
) and drop by various cantina to perform. we had around 50 people in the group, and at each city we make a beeline to the cantina screaming "cantina crawl!" and some message about our entertainer group, stay for about half an hour, then head straight back to the shuttleport (except for one city where we paused and used up our newbie fireworks) all of us were having fun until we arrived at one of the cities.we arrived at one of our chosen cities, and we headed straight for the cantina. then I started hearing people say "I've been banned from the cantina" and "I've been citybanned", and there were quite a few people who were banned. keep in mind we're a group with entertainer titles wearing hotpants and holding instruments. it was obvious that we weren't welcomed, and we started to leave. that's when some people realized that since they're citybanned, they can't use the shuttleport to leave. now you have a group of mostly new characters with no combat skills having to walk to the next city. I wasn't very happy about it, and Kwee (ID corr, also with us in the group) told us that the militia member "apologized" but no one received any apologies of any sort and no one was unbanned.
to find out what happened I messaged the militia member. his reasoning was that they had several bases in the city, and they're "hot" when we arrived. I can understand why they can get a bit nervous watching a bunch of blue dots moving together away from the shuttleport, but I'm not sure what's so threatening about a group of entertainers that are alread in the cantina, and was definitely NOT heading anywhere close to the bases. this incident definitely put a dent into our event, but we moved on and had fun. someone later posted the incident onto the Bria forum, but received nothing but snide comments from the guild affiliated with the city.
moral of the story:
I strongly encourage other mayors and militia members out there to use /cityban responsibly and think twice before using this command. you never know who's watching...
Message Edited by Pappi on 06-21-2004 07:49 PM
If players were mature, we'd still have warn
Epiah
Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:10 pm
#4
To Quote TonPhannan on the Bir aForums where a similar thing was posted:
Wow. Talk about idiocy. Well, the first poster asked for an intelligent response, so I'll give it.
First of all, when you assume that someone is unintelligent as a result of their choice to ban you and not care to respond to your inflammatory accusations regarding said ban, you are highly presumptuous.
When you assume the proprietors of a city or cantina are not entitled to reserve the right to refuse service to anyone they so choose, you are wrong.
When you take it upon yourself to assume their action is hostile in nature and not inquire as to the reasoning behind this action, then resolve the issue within yourself as one of negativity towards aguild (without taking the time to get to know any of its members) or a faction (once again assuming this one guild is indicative of that incredibly large faction's members), you show yourself to be unwilling to discover the truth and therefore uninterested in any reasoning they might have. Also, you display a predisposition for the opposing faction as a result as well. Let me guess, you are Rebel on your other server?
As a player, it might behoove one to give the benefit of the doubt to other player, regardless of faction or guild affiliation, particularly if you know nothing of that guild's reputation (as has been evidenced that you do not). I give you a list of circumstances that one might consider when being banned in this instance by a city member that would qualify as giving the benefit of the doubt:
1- City Policy on large groups of uninvited guests
2- Base hot times and GTEF concerns
3- Cross-server invasions
4- LAG/Zerg invasions by players with an in-game factional beef
5- non-base hot times and opposing faciton GTEF concerns
6- The concern over a possible attempt at a city take over like Beer Gardens, with a large influx of uninvited guests waiting for the opportunity to place houses.
These are just off the top of my head, but all point to very basic concerns that any player might have concerning your little visit. Frankly, if I saw a bunch of Novice Entertainers (only 15 skill points, mind you) in my city as blue dots, I'd be very concerned about a GTEF war coming to my doorstep very soon, especially if I were LFD, and especially if my bases were hot or going to be hot very soon. If you are a veteran player there is no way you should not be able to consider any of these things. There is no way for another player to know whether you actually are a newb char or if you are a fully decked out combat char with 15 skp spent on Novice Ent to disguise yourself and take a second to don your armour on hotkeys when the GTEF is sprung.
Did you bother asking Soylent (which one by the way?) why you were banned? I don't see anything indicating this. I see only that you made an erroneous assumption (it was obvious as to why you were there) and developed a negative response to that assumption (Imps on this server are not as 'good' as Rebs). Additionally, you acquired no investigative info to back up your conclusion. You did not show up in a Rebel city uninvited and unannounced during a base hot time. You do not know if you would have been treated the same way. You didn't even bother to ask why you were banned (presumptively from your own post since you omitted any mention of it).
I think instead of jumping to erroneous conclusions (such as the need for LFD to earn respect here or that their banning was an aggresive action as opposed to a defensive one) and then having broad and general negative sentiments about it, or making negative posts about it, you should instead try to determine the actual cause first.
When expecting an intelligent response, it helps to intelligently consider the actions about which you are postingas well.
I'm not defending Crush or LFD here. I'm saying there are perfectly reasonable explanations as to why this action might have been taken, yet it appears from your posts you made no effort to get them, only that you were satisfied that you had proved to yoursefl that LFD and Strongbadia and thus Imperials in general on this server were Hostile, Negative, and unfriendly. A very broad assumption without further investigation on your part. Then you come here and attempt (quite feeblely, I might add) to trash-talk their reputation based on this action.
That being said... As for respect? So you know, LFD almost single-handedly brought the GCW to Bria and made it so that there is constantly a conflict here. There is acutally a real Imperial v. Rebel presence felt on Bria almost daily, and it is largely due to their efforts (initially at least) on the Imperial side. They were a group that stepped up first and most often and as such others could rally behind. They've earned their respect... all you've earned is laughter, but I guess for an entertainer, that is a good thing. Too bad there isn't a Comedian Elite Profession for you as well. (You see, that last paragraph actually was in defense of LFD, in general.) As an aside though,they (as a group) havealso done plenty of things worth bashing them for (haven't we all though, to some degree?), this simply isn't one of them, not even by a long shot.
BTW - I'm Rebel, but I haven't actually been in-game for months now. Just for your reference and to mitigate the 'Imp Bandwagon' issues that you might feel the need to bring out.
To Follow up, I do not think that LFD did anythign wrong, for all they know, you could shuttle a overt in that is in the group, he gets ganked, and the whole group gets a TEF towards the peopel who were attacking the overt guy... a few macroes later the people who were entertainers are now PvP'ers and the city is overrun... This action was one of paranoia, but actions like this are needed in PvP and base defences. It's a trust no one policy and it works. I thik you are taking this was to personally. Just mvoe on if you didn't like what they did, there are plenty of other cantinas around. Also, there were KNOWN rebel PvP guildies in that group you were in. If you were Imperial, defending a base during a hot time, and a bunch of blue dots shuttle in with guilds that you KNOW have hostility towards you, what would you do?
Message Edited by Epiah on 06-19-2004 04:13 PM
Achilles467
Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:12 pm
#5
Hahahaha! Funny stuff. Seriously, what do you expect when you port en mass into a military installation?
Ralyn
Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:13 pm
#6
Keep having fun Sister 
, ignore those that try and steel it away from you.
, ignore those that try and steel it away from you.Message Edited by Ralyn on 06-19-2004 05:01 PM
Pappi
Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:20 pm
#7
to answer the question about if I've asked the person why we were banned, YES I have talked to him. I mentioned it above... yet the entertainers still had to walk out of the city. also, I have read the whole thread over on the Bria forum.
I wouldn't have made this post if I haven't see all the post from that guild insulting the entertainers who were there. The point I'm trying to stress isn't the actual cityban, but the lack of reasonable response afterwards.
I'm a girl hon, but thanks
I wouldn't have made this post if I haven't see all the post from that guild insulting the entertainers who were there. The point I'm trying to stress isn't the actual cityban, but the lack of reasonable response afterwards.
Ralyn wrote:Keep having fun bro, ignore those that try and steel it away from you.
I'm a girl hon, but thanks
Ralyn
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:01 pm
#8
Pappi wrote:
to answer the question about if I've asked the person why we were banned, YES I have talked to him. I mentioned it above... yet the entertainers still had to walk out of the city. also, I have read the whole thread over on the Bria forum.
I wouldn't have made this post if I haven't see all the post from that guild insulting the entertainers who were there. The point I'm trying to stress isn't the actual cityban, but the lack of reasonable response afterwards.
Ralyn wrote:
Keep having fun bro, ignore those that try and steel it away from you.
I'm a girl hon, but thanks
oops sorry.
I will edit.
vortexala
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:42 pm
#9
Can't believe they banned Entertainers... of all people, Entertainers. I mean, sure, those Red Uniformed guards of old Palpys are the most lethal entertainment duo ever, but not ALL entertainers have that much power!
What's next, nerf cries against the entertainers? "They're hawtpants are too powerful, nerf them!"
Sad...so, so sad.
aorae
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:49 pm
#10
Most of the major players on bria had never heard of this cantina crawl you speak of on Bria.. thats part of the problem. And apparently you guys got there when the base were hot so I don't blame them for /citybanning you.
Sure you were all ents and had instruments out.... but I guess you're not under the impression that people are hardcore in this game... during base wars, you never know who you can trust... like you said, most were new characters... so who knows if one of those characters isn't a spy tagging along on this "cantina crawl", really there to take count of the amount of defenders there..... you don't know what people are capable of ... it could happen.... i've defended many of bases and there are always spies present...
It just so happened that you got there when bases were hot so they did the most strategic thing... I'm sure they would not normally do this..... but you can't blame them
aorae
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:50 pm
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vortexala wrote:
Can't believe they banned Entertainers... of all people, Entertainers. I mean, sure, those Red Uniformed guards of old Palpys are the most lethal entertainment duo ever, but not ALL entertainers have that much power!
What's next, nerf cries against the entertainers? "They're hawtpants are too powerful, nerf them!"
Sad...so, so sad.
Who is to say all were ents? Having a tag up doesn't mean you are hiding something...... its more important to play it save in the GCW than to get ambushed
Epiah
Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:05 pm
#12
vortexala wrote:
Can't believe they banned Entertainers... of all people, Entertainers. I mean, sure, those Red Uniformed guards of old Palpys are the most lethal entertainment duo ever, but not ALL entertainers have that much power!
What's next, nerf cries against the entertainers? "They're hawtpants are too powerful, nerf them!"
Sad...so, so sad.
Did you NOT read what I posted?! kthxbye
vortexala
Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:19 pm
#13
Epiah wrote:
vortexala wrote:
Can't believe they banned Entertainers... of all people, Entertainers. I mean, sure, those Red Uniformed guards of old Palpys are the most lethal entertainment duo ever, but not ALL entertainers have that much power!
What's next, nerf cries against the entertainers? "They're hawtpants are too powerful, nerf them!"
Sad...so, so sad.
Did you NOT read what I posted?! kthxbye
Did you NOT realize they were entertainers after the fact? And instead of simply unbanning them so they could shuttle out, they were made to walk? Fear of Starwars1 eh?
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