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Thread: CSR almost closed my account. Is this fair?

Zentragon
Sun May 16, 2004 11:39 am
#1

In our city we only accept Naboo Style, and all houses are placed in the city by the Mayor - myself in order to maintain urban planning. Few weeks ago our city was Rank IV – City. So one afternoon I was doing my routine city rounds when I saw this generic house placed 1 meter away from our city border. Luckily the owner was right outside his house. So I approached him, introduced myself, and explained to him the benefits which he will get if he declares residency and moves his house inside the city zone. And I also mentioned to him that we were growing into Rank V – Metropolis and that would place his house inside the city automatically, and would gain him Research Center benefits. I also explained him that we only allow Naboo style houses to keep in the character of the city. This individual simply ignored me and went inside his house, which I found it impolite. So few weeks later we grew into Rank V – Metropolis, and his Public Generic House with crafting station inside it became part of out city structures. I waited weeks to meet with this individual to discuss he situation, but I wasn’t successful. Therefore since he “refused” to declare residency/citizenship, and since he was exploiting city expansion, thus not contributing to the overall SWG Community, and taking advantage of our research facility by an exploitation of city growth, I decided to take actions to protect my citizens by locking his house, and preventing him and others to enter his public crafting house.


One day later I got an email from some CSR who gave me a “Last WARNING” and notified me that one more similar mistake will cause my account to be banned/closed.


Later I found out that, the owner was a 13 y o, and his father was upset finding his sons house locked that way, so w/o having any clue of what was going on, and w/o consulting the mayor, he went and reported the CSR for harassment.


I sent the CSR an email and got no response. What to you think I should do to clear my record, and/or what action I should take?


P.S. I’m not sure if this is the right forums to post this or I should put it somewhere else.


Thank you all.




Visedar Sar
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glidingpiglet
Sun May 16, 2004 11:31 pm
#2

I can't believe a mayor is this stupid.


YOU ARE THE WORST KIND OF PLAYER.


You grief another player.... merely because he did't fit into your little scheme.


Than you claim you didn't grief him... because it was ONLY 24 HOURS.


OK, I'm goion to clone camp you..... but I'm not griefing cause I'll only do it for 24 hours.


Grow up, intresting how the 12 year old is as grown up as you are.


If I lived in that city, I would do everything I could to make your life hell.


Terrie
Kerico
Mon May 17, 2004 12:13 am
#3


When you say you 'locked' the house... what did you do?? Place decoration objects in front of his door?This is griefing. I'd report you to a CSR too.


The house was placed legally. Just because you have a city hall doesn't mean that you own all the land within 450m. It's not part of your city until you expand.


He doesn't have to become a citizen, and while you think he's not contributing to the city, he is. He is paying property tax, he's probably using the shuttle and garage. He may attract customers and other visitors to your city.


On a side note, you can't protect your research specialization by blocking access to crafting stations. Anyone can walk into town and pull out a droid with a crafting module in it.


"What to you think I should do to clear my record, and/or what action I should take?"


-Remove any obstacles you've placed in front of his door


-Don't harrass the owner of the house (verbally or with email). Although you could still send him requests, he can totally ignore you.

Message Edited by Kerico on 05-16-2004 12:23 PM

Zentragon
Mon May 17, 2004 12:38 am
#4






Kerico wrote:

The house was placed legally. Just because you have a city hall doesn't mean that you own all the land within 450m. It's not part of your city until you expand.


He doesn't have to become a citizen, and while you think he's not contributing to the city, he is. He is paying property tax, he's probably using the shuttle and garage. He may attract customers and other visitors to your city.


-Remove any obstacles you've placed in front of his door


-Don't harrass the owner of the house (verbally or with email). Although you could still send him requests, he can totally ignore you.







o Exactly, I agree. That's why I waited untill the city expanded andthat made itpart of the city. As for placing the house legally, what's considered placed illigally? His house was right infront of one of our PA hall's entrance.


oHe's not paying any taxes because we're tax free. Also, I could have paid all my citizens credits worth of 1 month taxes, and I could have addd and increased the Tax to its max. Wouldn't that be griefing?



The obstacles were removed in less than 24 hours. I never harassed the owner of the house neither verbally nor thru email.


FYI: I have 100+ citizens to back my quality service, mannersand expertise.

Message Edited by Zentragon on 05-16-2004 03:41 PM



Visedar Sar
» Founder of Darjani, Dantooine, Valcyn
» Mayor of Darjani, Dantooine, Valcyn
» Co-Founder of 'Order of Defiant Darjani'
» Co-Leader of 'Order of Defiant Darjani'
www.Darjani.com
"Fear of something is at the root of hate for others, and hate within will eventually destroy the hater." - George Washington Carver

Kerico
Mon May 17, 2004 12:41 am
#5

That's all you can do If he doesn't want to conform to your city guidelines (naboo only and good placement inline with other homes), he doesn't have to

Yes, addingtaxes and giving 'citizens in good standing' a tax refund is not griefing. This is totally fine and within your city management powers, but it is alot of work

Message Edited by Kerico on 05-16-2004 12:44 PM

Werdup
Mon May 17, 2004 12:51 am
#6





The obstacles were removed in less than 24 hours. I never harassed the owner of the house neither verbally nor thru email.


FYI: I have 100+ citizens to back my quality service, mannersand expertise.


Message Edited by Zentragon on 05-16-2004 03:41 PM






umm dude.... just because you stop killing people after 24 hours.. do you get a reprieve? is the statute of limitations on any crime 24 from when you last commitied it?


the fact of the matter is this.. you did soemthing wrong... and even if you do have the whole damn server backing you up saying you were justified... the rules is the rules...



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Rorenikibi
Mon May 17, 2004 5:05 am
#7

Bad move, though interesting.


I think this one falls into the same category as the placement of lamp posts to block the door to a faction base. It looks good on paper, but it's not kosher.






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MTolwyn
Mon May 17, 2004 6:08 am
#8

you have a "mayor" problem


you are supposed to waste time, money and skillpoints for being mayor

but you don t have any right s at all in the end

when people inside you city perimeter just srew you, ignore you,....

you don t have any right to do something about it.

because anything you would do would be considered griefing/harrasment and you would be banned for it


so welcome to the club of the screwed


well in the end there are maybe 2 things you could do to get rid of him
Valuthorax
Mon May 17, 2004 7:09 am
#9

Sorry to say it, Im mayor of a city, I would never do this, and if done to me I would report you.



Valuthor Rax
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Cryzitul
Mon May 17, 2004 7:30 am
#10

if he is unwilling to conform to the regulations of YOUR city, then YOU are right to take action against him which makes the cost of his non-confrmance too high to continue. let's look at a situation outside of SWG for a moment. Say I wanted to move into your town and build my house right in the center of the street you lived on, such that no body could go up or down the street, but your city has zoning laws to which I did not adhere that clearly say I can't build there. what then? would the mayor direct the police to intercede, or would he have to fear the president (or in this case the CSR) coming to town and saying the house can stay, and in fact if you question it, you'll be DEPORTED! there is no rationale by which this persons actions are justifiable, and were I the mayor of the town who was so threatened by CSR, I would be writing letters to George Lucas.
BountyBlunter
Mon May 17, 2004 7:47 am
#11

Why is everyone so quick to take sides here ?


Yes, he blocked the door to the house, which is classed as griefing, but you can say exactly the same about the person who places a house right outside a city limit and then waits for the city to expand over them giving them fake citizenship, then taking that and refusing to talk to the mayor or players who live in that city...


In my opinion there should be something in place to say if a house is situated within your territory as it stands at that time you can issue an evicition notice to the owner of the structure to be served in30 days, after30 days that structure is destroyed if it has not been moved outside the zone which has set an eviction notice on it.. If the player doesn't take that more than ample ammount of time to move or contact the mayor to resolve the situation and have the notice removed, it's their own fault. I wouldn't complain at those rules, and don't see why anyone else would either..



The guy should move his house not because there is a rule stating so, but because its the decent thing to do... Then again perhaps I was just brought up to respect peoples wishes and try to discuss problems in a calm and polite manner...




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BountyBlunter
Mon May 17, 2004 7:48 am
#12






Cryzitul wrote:

if he is unwilling to conform to the regulations of YOUR city, then YOU are right to take action against him which makes the cost of his non-confrmance too high to continue. let's look at a situation outside of SWG for a moment. Say I wanted to move into your town and build my house right in the center of the street you lived on, such that no body could go up or down the street, but your city has zoning laws to which I did not adhere that clearly say I can't build there. what then? would the mayor direct the police to intercede, or would he have to fear the president (or in this case the CSR) coming to town and saying the house can stay, and in fact if you question it, you'll be DEPORTED! there is no rationale by which this persons actions are justifiable, and were I the mayor of the town who was so threatened by CSR, I would be writing letters to George Lucas.






And what he said.



Arok K'tah ::Radiant:: Master Doc + Producer of cheap buffs and medical supplies.

Hoz Turner ::Radiant:: Mayor of Avalon + Producer of cheap munchies and beverages.

If I hear one more person say they are cancelling an account, I'll cancel my account !

X-caliber-Bria
Mon May 17, 2004 8:42 am
#13

You know if Mayors had eviction rights with which they could serve unruly citizens a 30 day notice, this problem and many more could be resolved by players instead of CSRs and we could focus our efforts on other things... 30 days would be sufficient time for a player to relocate a house and all the items inside, and it would provide a Mayor with some teeth to enforce city policy. I suppose it does provide an avenue for griefing but 30 days give plenty of time to work out the issue...However, if someone is misusing mayor powers why would you want to be a part of that city anyways....But even then you could votea bad mayorout in 30 days and the new mayor could reverse the eviction if it was unjust.


Just a thought....
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