Player Associations Archive
Thread: Revised: How to: Change Guild Leaders aka Set Allegiance
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Rothin
Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:33 am
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In Star Wars Galaxies a guild may only have one actual leader in game (though many guilds have Council type structures in game). The purpose of this position is to set permissions allowing other guild members to recruit, guild email, declare war, and kick out other members. From time to time in games people feel the need to move on and sometimes that person is the leader of a guild. When a guild leader chooses to leave the guild a new leader must be chosen and SWG has a built in system to accomplish this.
The following are the steps in which you will need to do to change the guilds leadership:
The following are the steps in which you will need to do to change the guilds leadership:
1. Between the guild members, choose who your new leader will be. The best method I have found to communicate with the entire guild is through Guild Email in game if you have the permissions set in the guild to use it. Let everyone know what has happened and what steps need to be taken to adopt a new leader.
How To: Guild Email: If you have the permissions set up, open your email (Control - E by default) in the To: field simply type the word "guild". This will send an email to the entire guild and allow them to all reply to the person who sent the email.
*Remember: You can only have one actual leader in game despite any roleplay leadership structure you may have for your guild, so you must choose one individual for this role.
How To: Guild Email: If you have the permissions set up, open your email (Control - E by default) in the To: field simply type the word "guild". This will send an email to the entire guild and allow them to all reply to the person who sent the email.
*Remember: You can only have one actual leader in game despite any roleplay leadership structure you may have for your guild, so you must choose one individual for this role.
2. Once you have chosen the new leader, to officially place them in the role you will need to have at least 51% of the guild vote for them within the PA Hall using the Guild Management Terminal.
3. To Vote for the Person: Go to the Guild Terminal > Choose Member Management > Find that Persons name and Select > Choose Set Allegiance. It will then switch the Allegiance to that person.
4. You must have 51% or the Majority(If more than one person is challenging for leadership) of the membership to cast their vote for the new leader by the time the next PA Update cycle arrives, and with the following cycle after that the new leader will be moved to the position and can begin setting permissions for members just as the old leader did.
*Note: The person who is trying to become leader can/should vote for themselves in the process as well. If the leader of the guild is still available, they should also vote for the new person as these do count in the total.
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: When is the PA Update?
A: Originally, the PA Update is the day of the week and time the PA was created in game. This time shifts by the amount of downtime the server has and over a period of months it can be very easy to lose track of the update. Most guilds are unaware of this at creation and never keep track. I've added the following to my guide from a post from MajorXP (Thanks!) on his suggestion for finding your update time:
To find out your update day and time:
- Change either the name of the PA slightly or the tag slightly
- Tell your members what you are doing and why
- Have your guild members help track when the change happens (it could happen at anytime for a week)
- When it will changes, that time and day the PA updates
To find out your update day and time:
- Change either the name of the PA slightly or the tag slightly
- Tell your members what you are doing and why
- Have your guild members help track when the change happens (it could happen at anytime for a week)
- When it will changes, that time and day the PA updates
Since this changes every week, to keep track us this method:
- Go to your city (or any city) terminal
- Find out the update for the city
- Calculate the date and time difference between the two
- Go to your city (or any city) terminal
- Find out the update for the city
- Calculate the date and time difference between the two
The difference will always be the same as they are on the same server uptime clock.
Q: What if I don't get 51% or a Majority by the next update? Do we have to start over?
A: If you are unable to achieve 51% or a majority of the vote by the time that the PA cycle updates (Once a week), then yes you will have to begin again. When undergoing a guild leadership change, try to express the importance of the voting to your members and urge them to do it quickly and hopefully you can avoid this situation.
Q: Do I need to be the owner of the PA hall to be leader?
A: No, you do not need to own the hall to be leader. Any member of the guild may place a PA hall and its guild terminal will tie in with the guild automatically. The original leader for the guild will need to be the one who places the hall so that he/she can create the guild original. It may then be transferred (via /transferstructure) to another member of the guild if you desire.
Q: I am the current guild leader; can I just give the leadership to a person of my choosing?
A: No, unfortunately there is no command to assign leadership to another individual. It should also be noted that a CSR will not be able to assist you in this either.
Q: We have a lot of inactive people and can not get enough of the vote to elect a new leader, what can we do?
A: This answer is one of the hardest to give, but there are a few things you can try to do.
- If anyone in the guild has the ability to kick a member, you may want to remove inactive accounts for the purpose of changing leadership. It is advised that you send an email out to the entire guild (again, if possible) or to at least those being removed apologizing for the action but explaining the reasoning so that if they do return, they will not be upset finding themselves removed and you may welcome them back (if you wish to do so).
- If no one in the guild has the ability to kick other members except the now inactive leader, then your options become very limited. If others have the ability to recruit, you could try to continue forward with the guild as is and hope that no one will need the abilities a leader will have.
- The last option is the toughest one to admit to. You may be forced to start a new guild and recruit those active in the guild over to it and begin anew. If you do this, if anyone in the guild has the ability to change the guild name and abbreviation, I would suggest doing so beforehand (so you may create the new guild with same name and tag). If not, then among yourselves choose a new name and tag and create the new guild. The person creating the new guild should remove themselves from the former guild (with /removeguild or via terminal) BEFORE placing the new guild hall.
Q: What if the guild leader leaves the guild, deletes their character, or moves the guild leader character to a different server? Do we still need to get 51% of the vote?
Q: What if the guild leader leaves the guild, deletes their character, or moves the guild leader character to a different server? Do we still need to get 51% of the vote?
A: No, if the leader is removed from the guild by their own will, it will leave the position vacant and the person with the most votes (does not have to be over 51% or a majority) at the next update will be named leader. This is a slight workaround for quickly changing leadership if the leader announces they will be leaving, and the normal voting process does not work.
Note: If the leader just wishes to use this method for changing the leadership of the guild, that person must not rejoin the guild until a new leader is chosen. If they rejoin prior to that the former leader will be automatically placed back in the leadership position again.
I'm sure in this guide that I've missed some things or not answered all the questions you have. If you have a question that should be added, reply with it below and I will edit this post and add them in to keep an on going guide for us to follow. My hopes for this is to help all those with these questions so they can find the answers they seek easily and it cuts down on some of the repetitive posting.
Thanks for your time in reading!
Thanks for your time in reading!
EDIT: Corrected the Former 51% rule to "51% or a Majority of the vote when multiple people run." Thanks Atytula for correcting this.
Message Edited by Rothin on 01-10-2005 09:59 PM
Message Edited by Rothin on 01-13-2005 12:23 PM
MajorXP
Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:28 pm
#2
Great info and thanks for the credit! 
The only thing i would edit is that to make it clearer that the reason it changes every week is that it is based upon the server uptime clock. However, you cannot use this method however to track village phase chages.
dpf44
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:04 pm
#3
Q: What if the guild leader leaves the guild, deletes their character, or moves the guild leader character to a different server? Do we still need to get 51% of the vote?
A: No, if the leader is removed from the guild by their own will, it will leave the position vacant and the person with the most votes (does not have to be over 51%) at the next update will be named leader. This is a slight workaround for quickly changing leadership if the leader announces they will be leaving, and the normal voting process does not work.
Hope you don't mind the little comment on the above question/answer - but I'd just like to confirm that this method of trasfering leadership with the cooperation of the old leader done indeed work with 100% certainty. My guild recently had to do this, and today (around 1 week after the old leader left), our newly appointed leader was set with only one or two votes for her.
Thanks for the great info in this thread mate - it was a great help and has allowed us to keep our guild together without kicking those who are not very active.
/Aspin (Chimaera)
einkel
Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:19 pm
#4
dpf44 wrote:
Q: What if the guild leader leaves the guild, deletes their character, or moves the guild leader character to a different server? Do we still need to get 51% of the vote?
A: No, if the leader is removed from the guild by their own will, it will leave the position vacant and the person with the most votes (does not have to be over 51%) at the next update will be named leader. This is a slight workaround for quickly changing leadership if the leader announces they will be leaving, and the normal voting process does not work.
Hope you don't mind the little comment on the above question/answer - but I'd just like to confirm that this method of trasfering leadership with the cooperation of the old leader done indeed work with 100% certainty. My guild recently had to do this, and today (around 1 week after the old leader left), our newly appointed leader was set with only one or two votes for her.
Thanks for the great info in this thread mate - it was a great help and has allowed us to keep our guild together without kicking those who are not very active.
/Aspin (Chimaera)
While this method worked to change leaders, and the guild updated. with the new leader. We invited the old leader back in the guild and it reverted back to her at the next update.
Rothin
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:58 pm
#5
einkel wrote:
dpf44 wrote:
Q: What if the guild leader leaves the guild, deletes their character, or moves the guild leader character to a different server? Do we still need to get 51% of the vote?
A: No, if the leader is removed from the guild by their own will, it will leave the position vacant and the person with the most votes (does not have to be over 51%) at the next update will be named leader. This is a slight workaround for quickly changing leadership if the leader announces they will be leaving, and the normal voting process does not work.
Hope you don't mind the little comment on the above question/answer - but I'd just like to confirm that this method of trasfering leadership with the cooperation of the old leader done indeed work with 100% certainty. My guild recently had to do this, and today (around 1 week after the old leader left), our newly appointed leader was set with only one or two votes for her.
Thanks for the great info in this thread mate - it was a great help and has allowed us to keep our guild together without kicking those who are not very active.
/Aspin (Chimaera)
While this method worked to change leaders, and the guild updated. with the new leader. We invited the old leader back in the guild and it reverted back to her at the next update.
Are you sure that the leader position actually changed over to the new person? Because it won't switch back without the allegiance being reset to the old leader.
LM
Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:51 pm
#6
Rothin wrote:
einkel wrote:
dpf44 wrote:
Q: What if the guild leader leaves the guild, deletes their character, or moves the guild leader character to a different server? Do we still need to get 51% of the vote?
A: No, if the leader is removed from the guild by their own will, it will leave the position vacant and the person with the most votes (does not have to be over 51%) at the next update will be named leader. This is a slight workaround for quickly changing leadership if the leader announces they will be leaving, and the normal voting process does not work.
Hope you don't mind the little comment on the above question/answer - but I'd just like to confirm that this method of trasfering leadership with the cooperation of the old leader done indeed work with 100% certainty. My guild recently had to do this, and today (around 1 week after the old leader left), our newly appointed leader was set with only one or two votes for her.
Thanks for the great info in this thread mate - it was a great help and has allowed us to keep our guild together without kicking those who are not very active.
/Aspin (Chimaera)
While this method worked to change leaders, and the guild updated. with the new leader. We invited the old leader back in the guild and it reverted back to her at the next update.
Are you sure that the leader position actually changed over to the new person? Because it won't switch back without the allegiance being reset to the old leader.
This seems like it could be ripe for exploitation. If I understand this correctly, the GL who is leaving could basically "appoint" a new GL for a week... the GL could quit the guild right before a server update, collude with another guild member to "elect" a new GL, who would be instated at server update... then this new GL would have all powers for a full week before anything could be done about it. Is this true? So the guild is left with a person they did not elect?
Just trying to understand the mechanics here, and the implications of them.
Thanks,
Lylak Moon
Rothin
Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:56 pm
#7
If the guild leader chose to completely leave the guild then yes, they could do that. However, that person will still have to have more votes than anyone else at the next update cycle and should the guild leader leave, hopefully he/she would have the respect to announce it to their guild otherwise, the guild itself would likely fall apart before a new leader would be appointed anyways.
This is not intended to be used to appoint a new leader, it's simply a way to work around the system until they can address it to allow more freedom in choice for a leader who is leaving to appoint smeone else. It is the duty of the Guild leader to be able to appoint a new leader when they choose to step down, as they were the one who led the guild.
Can this be exploited? To an extent. But then again, someone could easily convince the guild to elect them, then pull a 180 and them run it how no one wants them to with another week before anything can be done. No system will ever be perfect.
Joshie
Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:42 pm
#8
We had the same guild leader reverting problem. I left the guild, our new leader was appointed and everything was peachy. Then, I rejoined the guild about 2 months later and leadership was automatically given to me by the next day. Nobody declared allegiance to me in that window.
Rothin
Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:55 pm
#9
Joshie wrote:
We had the same guild leader reverting problem. I left the guild, our new leader was appointed and everything was peachy. Then, I rejoined the guild about 2 months later and leadership was automatically given to me by the next day. Nobody declared allegiance to me in that window.
That certainly isn't supposed to be happening. I know that at one point I had my guild vote leadership from my first account to my second and it never reverted back to the first one. I wonder if somehow this got bugged during one of the updates.
When was it that you guys tried transfering leadership? A month ago, a week ago, six months? I know mine was probably well over a year ago.
Meister1867
Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:49 am
#10
Here's one of the HUGE problems we've been having. A number of months ago our Official guild leader, along with some of the other co-leaders said they had to leave the game for a short bit to deal with other things in life (I'm sure some of you understand this). But... they'd be back. One of his close friends (who was also a co-leader) was given access to leaders' SWG account incase anything needed to be done in this role. Also, a council of 4 co-leaderswas established to keep the guild and the city going while he was absent (he was only SUPPOSE to be absent for a short period of time). In that time, his friend was able to access the leaders account and add new members to the council of co-leaders as needed.
Now recently, guess who has left the game? His friend that had access to the leaders account. So our only option is the Set Allegiance method. Of course, we don't know what day the guild was established and with the new way the servers work, when the guild update occurs. We've been having all the guild members email one of the co-leaders to indicate when they've set allegiance to the new, chosen guild leader. But, given the size of the guild and how many people are very active, active, somewhat active and (very few) inactive, it can be an administrative nightmare. LOL.
I'm going to make a separate post about my Proposal for Changes for Player Associations.
Thanks,
Meister1867 (aka. Syzzlee)
Rothin
Sun Dec 05, 2004 9:08 am
#11
Unfortunately, the only method to change the leadership is the one above. We wish there could be an easier way at times, but as of now there isn't. The only thing you can do is try to get as many people as possible to set allegiance in the same day to try to change the leader or over a period of a couple days.
In the guide above, MajorXP gave some tips for trying to see when the guild update day was, you may want to consider those.
Rothin
Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:01 pm
#12
EDIT: I corrected the formula for the percentage needed to vote out the current leader. It is normally 51% of the guild, unless of course multiple people are running. Then the person who will be named leader just simply needs to gain a majority of the guild votes, no matter what the percentage may be. (For Instance it could be 30-30-40 and the 40% person will win).
Thanks to Atytula for pointing this out.
Thanks to Atytula for pointing this out.
takillyuh
Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:21 pm
#13
Rothin wrote:
EDIT: I corrected the formula for the percentage needed to vote out the current leader. It is normally 51% of the guild, unless of course multiple people are running. Then the person who will be named leader just simply needs to gain a majority of the guild votes, no matter what the percentage may be. (For Instance it could be 30-30-40 and the 40% person will win).
Thanks to Atytula for pointing this out.
In this situation does 51% of the guild still have to vote for any changes to occur. Reason I ask is this. Our guild has 120 member of which 110 or inactive. Now if we run 2 members of the 10 active for guild and the other 8 vote for one of the two would that person be named leader? Or would the current leader be assumed to have the other 92% of the vote. I know my math is wrong but you get the idea.
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