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Thread: First time kicking a member. Thoughts?
Editorial Note: Age and maturity in MMORPGs are only losely corrolated. I've learnedof snot-nosed brats thatare reallyold men, and patient thoughtful people who arereally in their early teens. I also advocate talking to someone and telling them what is and isn't proper behavior for your guild before kicking them out. Some are used to playing single player games where everyone and everything in the game is meant for their enjoyment, they just don't know any better (and won't know unless someone tells them). I'm not trying to tell anyone how to run their guild,but someone might find these suggestions useful.
How to kick people out: Go to the Guild Management Terminal, Hit Member Management, Members, go to the member you want to remove, hit whatever button there is to manage that member, then hit "kick".
Jascentia wrote:
Editorial Note: Age and maturity in MMORPGs are only losely corrolated. I've learnedof snot-nosed brats thatare reallyold men, and patient thoughtful people who arereally in their early teens.
Thank you!! Somebody finally understands!
14 years old and proud!
In less than 2 days he annoyed every person he talked, the guild leader, the leader's wife, myself and several other members. He even told, not asked but told, one of our archie's to build him a large house and have it fully furnished for 10k. Now we do give guild mates free stuff if we can or we charge cost. But that was ridiculous. He said he was 21, we dont believe him. His seem very immature when we talked to him. So after some discussion with the guild leader and a few of us(most of the members we seek counsil with when making some decisions) we decided to remove him. I drafted an email to foward to him give our reasons why and wishing him the best in this game. He was upset but there is nothing we could do about it.
Now this was the first time we have ever removed some one from our guild and we have been around for Months. Not all people get alone with each other thats just the way it is. All you can do as well as us is move along.
This is a problem that I am constantly faced with.
I run (along with some great guys in my council) an RP Community on Chimaera. Being that we're RPers, more so RPers who are at RP war with other PAs, we have a fair amount of rules that we expect all community members to follow and they agree to do so when they join up. Some of the rules are for RP eg. no OOC (out of character for your non RPers) in spatial chat, everything said in spatial needs to be in character, /tell, /group, /guild are for OOC chat. Other rules are PvP rules. As we are an RP community being the strongest mofo in the Galaxy doesn't come into it so we put restrictions on certain weapons (people can't use the flamethrower in town, etc.) and have a no deathblow rule and a 30 minute incap rule (if you get incapped in a fight then you can't fight for another 30mins with anyone as RP wise you would be injured...).
With this list of rules comes a strike system, you break a rule you get a strike, 3 strikes and you are out. By out I mean removed from whatever Community PA you are in and banned from any RP events, plots, quests, etc. We give people a two week grace period to learn all the rules and we are pretty understanding that sometimes rules accidentally get broken. However, people sign up knowing these rules but still some people feel the need to ignore them and so they get strikes.
To date I've had to have 6 people removed from our community, usually they make it easy on me because they have been kicked for being a jerk eg. totally going OOC and being abbussive to people(only one person has been removed because they got 3 strikes, but the final strike WAS for being a jerk anyway 
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I got a complaint about one guy who had really laid into one of the other RPers and was excessively OOC with her, and it was reported to me. When he was next online I sent him a /tell saying there had been a complaint and started telling him what had been said and that I wanted his side of the story. Now the guy didn't even apologize which would have probably got him off the hook, instead he started lying his ass off and contradicting himself, giving me a story that was totally different from the three reports I'd had about the incident. Then he started turning the tables on me saying that he felt he was being bullied and didn't like me accusing tones. I kept it relatively calm knowing that this guy was gonna make me kick him out, and sure enough the conversation closed with him tell me to 'SHUT THE HELL UP, I'm adding you to /ignore now.' Erm sorry.. no, you don't get away with that, lol. Told one of the other council what had happened and we decided to boot him. He of course promptly apologized, but an apology after being punished is worth nothing.
Anyway, to your question. I personally don't really find it hard to kick a member, I work for the greater good of the community and if someone is annoying people then they got to go. Now I always try to talk to the member before hand ie. if you see there is an issue then address it with them before the issue turns into a serious problem, which it sounds like you have done. Generally if you even bring up with them that there have been some problems and complaints then they generally act like an ass anyway and make it a lot easier to kick them out, they usually start arguing with you are bad mouthing you, which makes your job easier to do. It's not something I particularly like doing because sometimes you are in a sense potentially ruining the only thing they like in the game, but you can't put the feelings of one person over a complete PA. We did have a whinner in the community who used to beg people for stuff all the time, he found out I'd made 150k for helping some guy grind his IDing on me for 2hours. After the first hour the memberwas adament that it was 'his turn with the ID guy' and that I shouldn't be so selfish... I couldn't believe his nerve. He kept begging me all night so I just started ignoring him and he quit after a while. The next day he was sending me /tells asking for money, thought we should buy a harvester that we both use and I'd be the one to pay the maintenance. I kept telling to stop asking me for money and to go make some himself, he said 'The only was I can make money is walking back and forth doing survey missions. Would you do that? No don't think so.' to which I was happy to be able to reply 'How do you think I saved up for the PA Hall' 
He quit begging for that day, but sure enough the day after he started again. This is when I turned OOC on him and told him to 'Stop ****ing begging off me! Go make you're own money. DO NOT ask me for anything again.'
And he never has
As for the age issue. Immaturity is a personal issue, not an age issue. With age people become more proud and don't like being told what to do and so lash out against things like rules (so often I have been told in my community 'this is MY game', thing is this is my community so they follow my rules or leave as I don't force anyone to join). A lot of the most productive members in the community we have running are the younger ones, but even the great ones show their age sometimes. It's all part of growing up I guess
My experience was not a pleasant one. My very first member of my fledgling, 10 member guild started acting up. I knew he was a bit of a goof from the start, but didn't mind at all. I took him to aid a neighboring guild in defending their base, and while we were there he made inappropriate sexual innuendo which really blew my top off. It was extremely embarassing because he did it in front of some close friends of mine and dozens of other members of the rebellion. I probably would have just reprimanded him if it were in a less public situation, but i really had no choice this time.
I let him down pretty easy and it turns out he had been kicked out of at least one other guild for similar problems. it was a hard decision though because he was my very first member....
he is on my ignore list, which helps with the awkward aftermath
saves you a lot of headache lol. One thing I'd look for also is the people who join and immediately ask so what's my discount...? What do I get free? I know now we're in the phase of giving players small fortunes just to join our city and then quit the game two weeks later, but if you're looking for a solid group of friends guild look out for the ones comming in with demands hehe.
Steelheart wrote:I run a PA of around 200+ members. Probably about 150 active. 2 days ago i had to kick out a member for the first time. Sometimes players find themselves not fitting into the beliefs and ideas that a PA holds dear. Most of the time when this happens a player will usually leave on their own accord. This was the first time that a player had to be forcebly removed. The funny thing is that the player in question acted more mature during the removal process that most of his time spent in the guild.Pls don't get me wrong......i value maturity over actually age any day of the week. For instance.....we have 1 member that is 15yrs old. I would have bet a yrs pay he was in his early 30s. Just goes to show that each player should be evaluated based on thier actions....not their age
You are absolutely right. The one young guy in my guild you would not believe he is only 17. Me and him work together keeping the guild buffed and up on stims. One of our greatest assests
Tekmal-HS wrote:the hardest part of the job but if there jerks its the best. first time i had to boot someone frommy guild it was because of extreme inactivty it was h0nestly like they werent even in the guild. so i sent him an in game e-mail and tell him hes being removed fromg uild. it sucks to do in all honesty but if its for the betterment of your guild then it has to be done.
I dont know if something like this would ever happen to my guild. Though we do things together like the corvette or geo lab, most of us are free spirits. We do what we want when we want. But if the time comes we get together to do things. So if a member is really not to active within the guild mostly doing solo stuff we just let him be. It doesnt hurt us to keep him and he has friends to come back too when the solo stuff gets boring.